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Post by JeffJeter on Apr 16, 2017 22:02:58 GMT -5
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Total (-35)
Found the course very awkward and could never get a good feel for it......I guess it just didn't fit my eye or something lol......I think mid to high -40s will win this......I can see -16 making the cut.....there is just enough slope to the greens and funky hole locations.....maybe it's me but I never felt comfortable here.
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Post by jtcurrent on Apr 17, 2017 7:38:52 GMT -5
Had the front 9 of my life here to open Round 1. After taking a leak at the turn not sure it was all the beers in me or Sweeney came by and took back his clubs I thought he lent for the day but it was all downhill from there. Round 2 could only muster a -5. Had another crazy hole out from the fairway that round too. Will see if -16 can make the cut
Buddy, I drew your ghost this week and you're right, after the front I thought you had a special round in the works. Still pretty strong but that's how we are disappointed with an 11 under. 😀 -10 in round 1 for me but only because some out-of-a$$ putts. We'll see the rest of the way...funky greens and pin placements.
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Post by Lowenberger on Apr 17, 2017 11:14:12 GMT -5
Think I had: R1 -9 Played terribly but drained a bunch of fluke putts R2 -9 Played way better but didn't make any putts R3 -4 Played terribly and didn't make any putts R4 -11 Played fine
Happy this one was over
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Post by waltbutler on Apr 17, 2017 23:41:50 GMT -5
-8 -4
First round could have been way better. Played so bad second round I'm surprised I broke 70. Kept focus but the beer power didn't kick in like it has the past few weeks. Some moments with putts that kept making me laugh my boys off so it was entertaining. Thanks designer and tgc gods, had fun. Good luck dudes
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Post by Mark (Kram) on Apr 18, 2017 7:45:59 GMT -5
I couldn't get into a birdie flow on this course and I made 3 bogeys, 2 of which were from three putting. I felt pin positions were either 3 boxes or less from the fringe, or on a small plateau, others gave you chance, but you were left with a severe breaking putt. I felt this course from tee to green was brilliant, flag positions, not so much. -34 (-11, -10, -7, -6). You guys reaching the -40s played really well.
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Post by kckfire on Apr 18, 2017 10:09:04 GMT -5
So, as the designer of Free State let me explain my thoughts on the pin placements. The green firmness is set just past the medium mark so the greens are receptive. When the TGC guys asked me to make 3 more courses to match my original Sunday course I said sure. I coach High School golf on my days off from the Fire Department so this time of the year I have limited time so I didn't play test the new courses and left it up to the rangers to let me know if they wanted any changes. They didn't contact me for changes and by the looks of the scores the course is gettable. Par is a good score on a hole sometimes. Having said that, I understand there are a few pin placements that are iffy but again the greens are receptive. Look at Augusta National in real life. Sergio's putt on 16 had a lot of side break. The pin placements on 9 at Augusta has a lot of side break if not in the correct spot. Also, on 10. Again, par is a good score.
On my designs, I don't like to firm up the greens and putt pins at back of greens just to allow for rollout because of the bad physics of the game. I have never played a course in my life that rolls out as much as this game does with the firm green conditions. I am sure others have and that is fine I am just explaining my golf likes and experience. Especially for designing courses for this game. We will see what TGC2 has in store for us in regards to ball physics.
So, I felt tucking the pins on receptive greens would be a good test for the PGA guys. We all have our likes and dislikes of courses and I respect that. No hurt feelings here. I learn from constructive criticism and try to make my next design better to make this community better.
And to top off this post. I will NOT be taking my exemption and playing my own course on the PGA. I know where I have the most fun playing and that is on the Web tour. I follow the rules set out by the TGC Tour guys and if people think that is sandbagging they have their opinion. If the rules said I had to play on the PGA I would play the game to have fun up there as well. Yes, I was up there and requested to be demoted and they obliged which was in the rules. I play this game for FUN and I DON'T take things personal. After all, there are more important things in life than this game. Have FUN.
Play well everyone and have fun doing it,
Steve "Sandbagger" Pope
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 10:52:28 GMT -5
So, as the designer of Free State let me explain my thoughts on the pin placements. The green firmness is set just past the medium mark so the greens are receptive. When the TGC guys asked me to make 3 more courses to match my original Sunday course I said sure. I coach High School golf on my days off from the Fire Department so this time of the year I have limited time so I didn't play test the new courses and left it up to the rangers to let me know if they wanted any changes. They didn't contact me for changes and by the looks of the scores the course is gettable. Par is a good score on a hole sometimes. Having said that, I understand there are a few pin placements that are iffy but again the greens are receptive. Look at Augusta National in real life. Sergio's putt on 16 had a lot of side break. The pin placements on 9 at Augusta has a lot of side break if not in the correct spot. Also, on 10. Again, par is a good score. On my designs, I don't like to firm up the greens and putt pins at back of greens just to allow for rollout because of the bad physics of the game. I have never played a course in my life that rolls out as much as this game does with the firm green conditions. I am sure others have and that is fine I am just explaining my golf likes and experience. Especially for designing courses for this game. We will see what TGC2 has in store for us in regards to ball physics. So, I felt tucking the pins on receptive greens would be a good test for the PGA guys. We all have our likes and dislikes of courses and I respect that. No hurt feelings here. I learn from constructive criticism and try to make my next design better to make this community better. And to top off this post. I will NOT be taking my exemption and playing my own course on the PGA. I know where I have the most fun playing and that is on the Web tour. I follow the rules set out by the TGC Tour guys and if people think that is sandbagging they have their opinion. If the rules said I had to play on the PGA I would play the game to have fun up there as well. Yes, I was up there and requested to be demoted and they obliged which was in the rules. I play this game for FUN and I DON'T take things personal. After all, there are more important things in life than this game. Have FUN. Play well everyone and have fun doing it, Steve "Sandbagger" Pope I wasn't going to respond to this but it was such a classy post that I had to. Hearing the way you put things, I get it. Believe me I do. In a way, I feel like I'm kind of in the same boat. I absolutely believe I have no business in the PGA in spite of my earned exemption. But that also leaves me in what I feel is kind of a no win, nothing to play for situation and was wondering how you deal with that same situation. In short, if I take my exemption and miss it, I end up just missing a week that I could have been playing in my own tour, as little as I have to play for there. if I do take my exemption and make the cut, well then I'm in a tour I know I'm going to hate. So either way, what's the point? I'm playing in Web for what exactly? To earn some fake money? Doesn't really matter whether I come in first or last. Either way, I'm still only ever going to be a Web player. It's like, why bother? So how do you do it? How do you keep the incentive going knowing you're going to stay in Web and never move up? In the meantime, I still don't know if I'm going to take my exemption this week or next week. I should probably just get it over with since it's not going to matter either way. No way I'm earning a PGA card against these guys. I still don't know how they do it, especially on this course. No offense, but if Web guys had to play this with all those "illegal" pins, there'd be a rebellion. Anyway, thanks for your candid and straight forward post. While I still don't agree with not taking your exemptions, which is why I'll still be taking mine in spite of the stupidity of doing so, I respect your right to feel that way. Especially since if it didn't make me look like the biggest hypocrite in the world, I'd skip mine too. Watch, with my luck, I'll make the cut and be stuck in hell until TGC 2 comes out.
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 18, 2017 11:20:47 GMT -5
To be fair... a year and a half ago I was in the same boat as you... happy playing in Web and not really wanting to go to the PGA because I felt like I couldn't compete. I finished 2nd last week... you can compete, and playing the harder courses will make you get better. I'm not saying you should be forced to take your exemption, or anything like that, after all I think I had three "banked" before I even took the first one (which I missed on by the way)... just know if you play the harder courses we get up here on the PGA, you will get better. It will force you to learn how to play shots you currently suck at.. I know.. it happened to me! Play the course a few times and if you don't like it.. don't play it. That's what guys here do.. they see whether they like PGA or Euro that week and then go play it. If you make it here and really can't compete and keep missing cuts, you can always request a demotion. I do talk from experience though, that simply by playing the PGA courses, it will make you better. Just food for thought
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 11:41:35 GMT -5
Think I screwed myself out of a top 10 this week by butchering the par 5's from the 2nd round on with poor approaches that left phantom putts.
Probably evened out from some of the 25+ foot curly putts I made though. Ended up -33, but at least I won't be sweating on a cut for a change.
Good luck all, especially avoiding the fringe.
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Post by coruler2 on Apr 18, 2017 15:25:45 GMT -5
So, as the designer of Free State let me explain my thoughts on the pin placements. The green firmness is set just past the medium mark so the greens are receptive. When the TGC guys asked me to make 3 more courses to match my original Sunday course I said sure. I coach High School golf on my days off from the Fire Department so this time of the year I have limited time so I didn't play test the new courses and left it up to the rangers to let me know if they wanted any changes. They didn't contact me for changes and by the looks of the scores the course is gettable. Par is a good score on a hole sometimes. Having said that, I understand there are a few pin placements that are iffy but again the greens are receptive. Look at Augusta National in real life. Sergio's putt on 16 had a lot of side break. The pin placements on 9 at Augusta has a lot of side break if not in the correct spot. Also, on 10. Again, par is a good score. On my designs, I don't like to firm up the greens and putt pins at back of greens just to allow for rollout because of the bad physics of the game. I have never played a course in my life that rolls out as much as this game does with the firm green conditions. I am sure others have and that is fine I am just explaining my golf likes and experience. Especially for designing courses for this game. We will see what TGC2 has in store for us in regards to ball physics. So, I felt tucking the pins on receptive greens would be a good test for the PGA guys. We all have our likes and dislikes of courses and I respect that. No hurt feelings here. I learn from constructive criticism and try to make my next design better to make this community better. And to top off this post. I will NOT be taking my exemption and playing my own course on the PGA. I know where I have the most fun playing and that is on the Web tour. I follow the rules set out by the TGC Tour guys and if people think that is sandbagging they have their opinion. If the rules said I had to play on the PGA I would play the game to have fun up there as well. Yes, I was up there and requested to be demoted and they obliged which was in the rules. I play this game for FUN and I DON'T take things personal. After all, there are more important things in life than this game. Have FUN. Play well everyone and have fun doing it, Steve "Sandbagger" Pope I personally haven't seen much complaining on the pins. For the size and styles of the greens I have no issues with them...I think they were well done. I've been picking courses with more variety this year...and really liked this one this week despite my poor play. Thanks again for making the courses and letting us use them.
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Post by mjm06 on Apr 18, 2017 15:26:14 GMT -5
This course ate my lunch. Chalk up another missed cut. Enjoyed the challenge though, nice track Steve.
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 18, 2017 19:23:09 GMT -5
-6 in round 1 where everything that could go wrong pretty much did.
-10 in round 2 which should help me make the cut at -16.
Thinking cut is in the -14 range?
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Post by canthitstraight on Apr 18, 2017 19:25:16 GMT -5
-6 in round 1 where everything that could go wrong pretty much did. -10 in round 2 which should help me make the cut at -16. Thinking cut is in the -14 range? Ya I'd say -14 or -15
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 19:27:28 GMT -5
-6 in round 1 where everything that could go wrong pretty much did. -10 in round 2 which should help me make the cut at -16. Thinking cut is in the -14 range? Ya I'd say -14 or -15 Don't worry. I'll have the Watcher's Report on Thursday. Right now it's looking like 15 under but I've learned from experience it's usually 1 or 2 strokes under the curve.
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Post by jtcurrent on Apr 18, 2017 20:07:08 GMT -5
So, as the designer of Free State let me explain my thoughts on the pin placements. The green firmness is set just past the medium mark so the greens are receptive. When the TGC guys asked me to make 3 more courses to match my original Sunday course I said sure. I coach High School golf on my days off from the Fire Department so this time of the year I have limited time so I didn't play test the new courses and left it up to the rangers to let me know if they wanted any changes. They didn't contact me for changes and by the looks of the scores the course is gettable. Par is a good score on a hole sometimes. Having said that, I understand there are a few pin placements that are iffy but again the greens are receptive. Look at Augusta National in real life. Sergio's putt on 16 had a lot of side break. The pin placements on 9 at Augusta has a lot of side break if not in the correct spot. Also, on 10. Again, par is a good score. On my designs, I don't like to firm up the greens and putt pins at back of greens just to allow for rollout because of the bad physics of the game. I have never played a course in my life that rolls out as much as this game does with the firm green conditions. I am sure others have and that is fine I am just explaining my golf likes and experience. Especially for designing courses for this game. We will see what TGC2 has in store for us in regards to ball physics. So, I felt tucking the pins on receptive greens would be a good test for the PGA guys. We all have our likes and dislikes of courses and I respect that. No hurt feelings here. I learn from constructive criticism and try to make my next design better to make this community better. And to top off this post. I will NOT be taking my exemption and playing my own course on the PGA. I know where I have the most fun playing and that is on the Web tour. I follow the rules set out by the TGC Tour guys and if people think that is sandbagging they have their opinion. If the rules said I had to play on the PGA I would play the game to have fun up there as well. Yes, I was up there and requested to be demoted and they obliged which was in the rules. I play this game for FUN and I DON'T take things personal. After all, there are more important things in life than this game. Have FUN. Play well everyone and have fun doing it, Steve "Sandbagger" Pope This course is tough but fair and fun in my opinion. Well done pal.
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