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Post by Ashton Fox on Mar 27, 2017 8:02:22 GMT -5
I am bad... No.... Really bad.... No.... God awful terrible sorry pitiful horrible at playing firm courses. I can not figure out the roll out on firm courses. Just when I think I have it figured out, the ball checks up. When I think I threw a dart, it rolls out 15 yards. When there is no landing area and I try to land it on the fairway to nestle it up to the hole, it rolls all the way through the green and into the next tee box.
Don't even get me started on the putting.
So what are your tips for playing firm courses?
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Post by c6vette2010 on Mar 27, 2017 8:33:54 GMT -5
Hi Ashton, doubtfulobelisk did a video tutorial on how he plays firm conditions. Try googling " doubtfulobelisk firm green". it's titled How I Play Firm Greens.
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Post by jacobkessler on Mar 27, 2017 10:21:24 GMT -5
When I get forced into firm conditions, I play it similarly to the wind... I do my math, then figure, why try? Then I say "@!$# you, firm conditions!" and go shoot an 87... hope this helped, ok, bye  |
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Mar 27, 2017 15:03:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the mention, Bill. Here's the link to that video: click here.
If you don't have time for the video, then here are some tips that should be useful: 1) Practice on firm courses! The best way to improve is to challenge yourself on courses that you find difficult. I'd recommend any of Yeltzman's Open rota RCRs (Royal Lytham, Royal Birkdale, Turnberry, etc.) as good examples of firm but fair courses to get you started. 2) Better yet, design a firm course. There are two ways to approach this: either make a sincere effort to design a course or just design a practice facility where you can hone your skills. The GNCD is a great way to practice, especially if you're looking to hit the same shot over and over. I'm designing a firm course at the moment, so playtesting has helped me judge rollout yardages, speaking of which... 3) Rollout is going to vary a lot depending on the wind, and the slope and speed of the green. I've found that on max firm and 187 greens, you'll get about 5 yards of rollout on wedges, 10 on short irons (8 and 9), 15 on mid irons (5-7), and 20 on long irons (3 and 4). These are very general numbers, but they're a starting point. It's up to you to practice and figure out what works once you take the aforementioned conditions into account. 4) Know when to hit a pitch versus a full swing. I will almost always hit a full LW instead of a PW pitch when playing a firm course. A pitch with any club besides LW or SW rolls out quite a bit, which is usually not the ideal shot. Practice using your LW to hit 55-75 yard shots on firm greens; it's the best way to generate backspin at that distance. 5) Speaking of lofting your LW, that can be an especially handy shot when you're plugged in a bunker or buried in deep rough. For instance, if I have a 16 yard shot from a 40-60% lie in a bunker, I will nearly always max-loft a full LW (a fully-lofted LW goes about 37 yards from a perfect lie). I showed this off in the video, at 2:29:40 and 2:52:30. 6) Practice your short game. Shots from 30 yards and in will react differently on firm greens. For instance, I rarely max-loft a flop on medium greens because it'll spin way too much, but it's usually my preferred play on firm greens. Tinker with a variety of shots and find what works for you. 7) I don't think putting is affected at all by the green firmness -- only the speed makes a difference. As always, make sure to use the marker to adjust both your aim and distance. That's all I've got for now. Hope this helps. |
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Post by c6vette2010 on Mar 27, 2017 16:07:48 GMT -5
Great advice Griff, I, for one , can't wait to practice that sand shot in the very near future. That plug situation comes up a lot trying to bounce into a tucked pin with a mid-long iron. Cheers.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Mar 27, 2017 21:39:53 GMT -5
I just smoke a bunch of weed and break controllers. That's how I play firm greens.  |
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 27, 2017 21:50:49 GMT -5
Something else that is important is knowing the green in advance of your approach. Most greens on good courses designed in firm settings have some way to funnel the ball closer to the hole if you hit the right shot.
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Post by Ashton Fox on Mar 28, 2017 5:06:39 GMT -5
Something else that is important is knowing the green in advance of your approach. Most greens on good courses designed in firm settings have some way to funnel the ball closer to the hole if you hit the right shot. I feel like this is true for Thursday and Friday pins but by Sunday it's usually a crapshoot. Plus, there are times where you have to land it in the rough before the green and then you are at the mercy of that bounce staying on line. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 18:04:39 GMT -5
Tip #1 for playing a firm course:
Don't.
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Post by Clint Kelso on Apr 5, 2017 5:41:31 GMT -5
Tip #1 for playing a firm course: Don't. Tip #2 Never take Irving R. Levine's advice |
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Post by mnguy12000 on Apr 5, 2017 7:24:12 GMT -5
Tip #1 for playing a firm course: Don't. As someone once famously said "NO ONES GOT TIME FOR THAT!" Why torture yourself. 20 yard roll out on long irons is just plan stupid when most greens are 25 to 30 yards deep. I hope HB fixes the firm game as it just is not fair. |
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Apr 5, 2017 11:11:53 GMT -5
Tip #1 for playing a firm course: Don't. As someone once famously said "NO ONES GOT TIME FOR THAT!" Why torture yourself. 20 yard roll out on long irons is just plan stupid when most greens are 25 to 30 yards deep. I hope HB fixes the firm game as it just is not fair. It's rare that a course designed for medium conditions will translate well to firm -- we had a run of those on tour about a year ago, which wasn't fun. I agree with you there. On the other hand, I strongly disagree with maligning the firm game as "not fair." There are plenty of great courses (both RCRs and fictional) that skillfully use firm conditions to create a fair and fun challenge. An all-time firm classic was released just a few days ago in Turu Wero, as an example. Just my opinion, of course.  |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Apr 5, 2017 12:22:56 GMT -5
Firm is way better than soft ,just ask ur missus  looool #guttersnake hahahaha |
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