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Post by Denzil Penberthy on May 1, 2018 19:16:49 GMT -5
Today's cool golf architecture photos of the day! Not quite design elements or cool holes, but the reason that bunkers are designated as hazards. I don't know why, where, or when the trend of raking them to be perfect took off, but they are effectively neutered hazards nowadays. Not only would someone want to avoid them more, but architects would probably use them less than they do now. I assume the top right one is the 4th hole at Royal North Devon? If it is - then it is still like that today - 15 foot high sleepers all round the front (admittedly it's only 180 carry over it off the tee) If it isn't - then go take a look at that - and also the bunker at the 6th hole at St Enodoc (Cornwall, England) - which is still about 60-70 feet high - much bigger than the famous big one at the 4th at Royal St Georges. Rob, may well be RND. My initial thought was that it was sunny Hunny (Hunstanton) but not too sure. Fabulous course which is also very close to Royal West Norfolk. Not played St Endonoc even though it is not far from me. Played Saunton which is built on dream like ground (2 courses), Trevose (tough when wind is up) and also Newquay which is a really good design in a constrained area. options, options, decide then hit. love this thread on architecture. Making me think about getting a pc to get into designing. Bit extreme I know, but having played a lot of old and bold UK courses know a bit about layouts. Unfortunately no video game yet invented can truly capture the clever designs of places like Woodhall Spa (hotchkin) with it’s 25 ft green side bunkers and bunkers that draw balls into them like magnets - even in softish conditions. There are 2 standout (for me) RCR’s of links. cathalos’s Ballybunion and JoeG’s Royal St George’s. really enjoyable.
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Post by mrvinegar206 on May 3, 2018 16:48:34 GMT -5
Today's cool golf architecture photos of the day!
Another bunker-themed edition with a quote and bunkers built by H.S. Colt (who, if you don't know, teamed with George Crump to design Pine Valley)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 23:44:34 GMT -5
Today's cool golf architecture photos of the day! Another bunker-themed edition with a quote and bunkers built by H.S. Colt (who, if you don't know, teamed with George Crump to design Pine Valley) The Law Of Colt I. Davenport Country Club us a gem. Colt is a designer that should be more well known than he is. If you're into reading about course architecture, then "Some Essays On Golf Course Architecture" is worth it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 23:57:50 GMT -5
I assume the top right one is the 4th hole at Royal North Devon? If it is - then it is still like that today - 15 foot high sleepers all round the front (admittedly it's only 180 carry over it off the tee) If it isn't - then go take a look at that - and also the bunker at the 6th hole at St Enodoc (Cornwall, England) - which is still about 60-70 feet high - much bigger than the famous big one at the 4th at Royal St Georges. Rob, may well be RND. My initial thought was that it was sunny Hunny (Hunstanton) but not too sure. Fabulous course which is also very close to Royal West Norfolk. Not played St Endonoc even though it is not far from me. Played Saunton which is built on dream like ground (2 courses), Trevose (tough when wind is up) and also Newquay which is a really good design in a constrained area. options, options, decide then hit. love this thread on architecture. Making me think about getting a pc to get into designing. Bit extreme I know, but having played a lot of old and bold UK courses know a bit about layouts. Unfortunately no video game yet invented can truly capture the clever designs of places like Woodhall Spa (hotchkin) with it’s 25 ft green side bunkers and bunkers that draw balls into them like magnets - even in softish conditions. There are 2 standout (for me) RCR’s of links. cathalos’s Ballybunion and JoeG’s Royal St George’s. really enjoyable. The biggest problem is that video game physics don't really allow for the true "feel" of such courses...unless exaggerating so much that it's neither realistic or enjoyable. That's the big downfall in most RCRs in my opinion...it's near impossible to capture the true feel of those shots in a video game versus real life.
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Post by joegolferg on May 9, 2018 7:57:37 GMT -5
Stumbled across this informative mini study on Seth Raynor. Some good insight into Raynors methodology and aims for course architecture. www.mhccturf.com/?p=718
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Post by joegolferg on May 9, 2018 7:59:13 GMT -5
Does it matter the difficulty of Augusta for anything other than the Masters competitors? It's only open for 3 months of the year and barely played anyway except for a few weeks around April/May. It's a bit of a one off in that respect. It's a course solely set up for the one week a year to test the best in the world. As for the tournament, longer hitters have always hogged the world rankings anyway, that will always be the case. Yep. When asked, I've always said I'd like to play Augusta but I'd never want to be a member.
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Post by joegolferg on May 9, 2018 8:20:06 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald?
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 9, 2018 8:35:31 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald? I’ll just say I wouldn’t blow up the Flynn course to bring it back... Do you know if that bunker is from before or after MacDonald and Raynor redesigned the original course from the 1890s?
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Post by mav78 on May 9, 2018 9:25:58 GMT -5
Does it matter the difficulty of Augusta for anything other than the Masters competitors? It's only open for 3 months of the year and barely played anyway except for a few weeks around April/May. It's a bit of a one off in that respect. It's a course solely set up for the one week a year to test the best in the world. As for the tournament, longer hitters have always hogged the world rankings anyway, that will always be the case. Yep. When asked, I've always said I'd like to play Augusta but I'd never want to be a member. Maybe if I was multimillionare I would just to be part of it. You would know you have made it in life for sure
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Post by mav78 on May 9, 2018 9:29:20 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald? Not sure what to make of it. Hard to say unless I saw it up close. I do love quirky features on a golf course, most of which end up getting levelled and turfed at some point.
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Post by joegolferg on May 9, 2018 9:38:40 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald? I’ll just say I wouldn’t blow up the Flynn course to bring it back... Do you know if that bunker is from before or after MacDonald and Raynor redesigned the original course from the 1890s? I read that CB designed it, and then took it out a few years later. I'm assuming it was too severe a punishment, because I think it's a fairway bunker on a par 4. With that said, I'm definitely going to include one of these bunkers in my next MacRaynor style course. I love the quirk of the MacRaynor style.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 10:08:21 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald? Is that the green over on the left side of the photo? If that's the green for this particular hole, I would say that it seems pretty severe because rather than being about a half shot penalty for being in a bunker, it would easily be at least a 1.5-2 shot penalty depending on where the tee shot ended up against that "wall."
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Post by joegolferg on May 9, 2018 10:12:31 GMT -5
What do you all think of this bunker at Shinnecock from back in the day's of CB Macdonald? Is that the green over on the left side of the photo? If that's the green for this particular hole, I would say that it seems pretty severe because rather than being about a half shot penalty for being in a bunker, it would easily be at least a 1.5-2 shot penalty depending on where the tee shot ended up against that "wall." I'm pretty that is the green on the left. It would be extremely harsh being up against that wall. I think the bunker could work on a drivable par 4, it would give the player a real risk and reward choice.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 10:15:08 GMT -5
Agreed, that would be an interesting idea.
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Post by mrvinegar206 on May 9, 2018 12:30:52 GMT -5
IMO, it's too tall. The church pews at Oakmont are just tall enough to do what they need to do. That thing is 2x-3x taller than it needs to be.
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