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Post by boynsy on Feb 15, 2017 2:32:35 GMT -5
Hi guys! Once again I've been away from my Xbox while travelling so have demoted myself to lurking for a fair while, but I'm resurfacing because I'm itching to get back on TGC. I'm not entirely sure where this thread should go so I've plopped it in here for the time being. Basically, I was bored and looking at how feasible it would be to fit a short pitch and putt course around a plot of land I know, and while Googling for resources I found this article: www.golflink.com.au/news/in-depth/2015/10/aussie-golfer-the-concept-of-a-12-hole-golf-course.aspxFollowing on from the article - can you build a course that consists of 12 holes, but has enough alternate tees and greens to make an 18 hole course that flows nicely and isn't overtly obvious that it repeats 6 holes. Extra considerations would be safety and time constraints, but there's no quantitative way to measure those factors so that's pretty much up to you. Hopefully you find this a new, creative way to get around this and fit a complete course into a small area! There's no out and out rules to follow, just thought it might be interesting for some people to take this on!
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Post by jacobkessler on Feb 15, 2017 8:16:07 GMT -5
Cool idea, I'll try it out after I finish my current course I'm working on.
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Post by superace33 on Feb 15, 2017 10:50:37 GMT -5
So if I am understanding this correctly, an 18 hole course that is played on only 12 individual holes? I think I also might take this on. Sounds like a fun challenge.
Additionally, would it still be a traditionally scored 18 holes? Par 70-72 range?
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Post by boynsy on Feb 15, 2017 11:12:29 GMT -5
So if I am understanding this correctly, an 18 hole course that is played on only 12 individual holes? I think I also might take this on. Sounds like a fun challenge. Additionally, would it still be a traditionally scored 18 holes? Par 70-72 range? Well, it's whatever you want it to be really, but my idea would be to create a course that has 12 unique holes for standard play, but there are 6 extras for anyone that wants to complete a full 18. In my mind, that means that there are two "sixes" (one out one back) in place of the front and back, and then alternate tees or greens for six more holes to add an extra dynamic for anyone that wants to play a traditional full round without just playing the front 6 twice. To my mind, anything less that par 70 isn't really a championship course but once again, that's up to you. If you think the idea is interesting but don't want to invest the time into a full course, just make a short par 60 layout or something, up to you. For an added challenge, taking after the article imagine that your course is struggling financially and you sold off as much land as possible, so make the layout compact. My idea for the course would be to find a way to make a front 6 and a back 6, and then add in a tee that comes in from a different angle on 6 holes - maybe turn a 420 yard dogleg par 4 into a 300 yard driveable hole, but still make the greens and tees close enough to each other to flow. It will probably be recognizable to say "oh, I've been here before this round" but not to the point that I'm hitting the same drive and the same approach, just to a different pin position. However, feel free to add or remove restrictions as you see fit.
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Post by superace33 on Feb 15, 2017 11:15:33 GMT -5
So if I am understanding this correctly, an 18 hole course that is played on only 12 individual holes? I think I also might take this on. Sounds like a fun challenge. Additionally, would it still be a traditionally scored 18 holes? Par 70-72 range? Well, it's whatever you want it to be really, but my idea would be to create a course that has 12 unique holes for standard play, but there are 6 extras for anyone that wants to complete a full 18. In my mind, that means that there are two "sixes" (one out one back) in place of the front and back, and then alternate tees or greens for six more holes to add an extra dynamic for anyone that wants to play a traditional full round without just playing the front 6 twice. To my mind, anything less that par 70 isn't really a championship course but once again, that's up to you. If you think the idea is interesting but don't want to invest the time into a full course, just make a short par 60 layout or something, up to you. For an added challenge, taking after the article imagine that your course is struggling financially and you sold off as much land as possible, so make the layout compact. My idea for the course would be to find a way to make a front 6 and a back 6, and then add in a tee that comes in from a different angle on 6 holes - maybe turn a 420 yard dogleg par 4 into a 300 yard driveable hole, but still make the greens and tees close enough to each other to flow. It will probably be recognizable to say "oh, I've been here before this round" but not to the point that I'm hitting the same drive and the same approach, just to a different pin position. However, feel free to add or remove restrictions as you see fit. Hmm.. I like it. Could publish 2 versions too with 12 and 18 holes.
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Post by jacobkessler on Feb 19, 2017 9:40:38 GMT -5
Here's a bit of a design that I actually came up with for my current WIP for multiple setups, but could be used in something like this:
The 9A could be one hole, while 9B is another. I'll actually use this in my multi-pin, but it actually occurred naturally when I was working on a shared fairway and got an idea. Is this one realistic? No. Safe in real life? Absolutely not lol, but I still liked the idea I had.
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Post by boynsy on Feb 20, 2017 5:27:23 GMT -5
Here's a bit of a design that I actually came up with for my current WIP for multiple setups, but could be used in something like this:
The 9A could be one hole, while 9B is another. I'll actually use this in my multi-pin, but it actually occurred naturally when I was working on a shared fairway and got an idea. Is this one realistic? No. Safe in real life? Absolutely not lol, but I still liked the idea I had. So basically you play the hole one direction and then the alternate layout is coming back the other way? Similar to how the 1st and 18th at St Andrews share one massive fairway down the straight? I'd be interested to see how you incorporate this idea in a layout; to me, they would be two separate holes rather than an alternate position but that's not an issue - you do you! I'm tempted to draw out a possible layout now in fact.
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Post by jivesinator on Mar 7, 2017 0:54:39 GMT -5
Well, tried this idea quite late last night with a very strict land challenge: I only gave myself a 600x600 yd plot. End result from placing the framework of the holes down was a 6210 yard (from tips) par 71 with safety hazards nearly every hole. Also I'm fairly sure I had 10 greens and no distinct 6's.
I really want to see this idea through but will give 650x650 to myself next time around on a new plot. Will also see if I can squeeze a 7000+ yard layout out of it.
Also should mention there is a course near where I live called High Meadow Ranch that is made up of 3 loops of 6 holes although 12 hole rounds aren't an option. The overall route might give me inspiration for my design.
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Post by boynsy on Mar 14, 2017 7:46:56 GMT -5
Well, tried this idea quite late last night with a very strict land challenge: I only gave myself a 600x600 yd plot. End result from placing the framework of the holes down was a 6210 yard (from tips) par 71 with safety hazards nearly every hole. Also I'm fairly sure I had 10 greens and no distinct 6's. I really want to see this idea through but will give 650x650 to myself next time around on a new plot. Will also see if I can squeeze a 7000+ yard layout out of it. Also should mention there is a course near where I live called High Meadow Ranch that is made up of 3 loops of 6 holes although 12 hole rounds aren't an option. The overall route might give me inspiration for my design. I really like the idea of restricting the amount of land to work with - I have an old computer game called Sid Meier's Sim Golf (if only it would work now!) and I would often restrict myself to tiny plots of land. I would always end up creating horrifically unsafe courses but they would just about stack up to the in game criteria, which was always my goal. I look forward to seeing how your idea plays out. I can't quite picture in my head how I would make a course like this work, and would need to plan it out, but I can imagine that it will be fun.
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Post by mnguy12000 on Mar 15, 2017 14:44:18 GMT -5
iN Minny where I live there are a ton of reversible 9's, some are par threes, others executive and a few full length. I might give this a go but with the reversible aspect, in a 18 hole format. Would be fun
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Post by coggin66 on Mar 19, 2017 0:09:11 GMT -5
Have a look at my Propellor Island course. I had a go with this concept using 9 greens but created 18 holes.
The issue with TGC though is that it keeps every flag until you play the hole so it can get confusing which pin you are aiming at. The way to tell is that only the pin in play is affected by the wind.
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