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Post by Errol1967 on Aug 6, 2016 6:23:59 GMT -5
I have a very good laptop and a good Nvidia card. A friend of mine ownes both copies ps4 and pc and there is a huge difference in the designer compared to ps4, thats what he told me. I wish I had a pc version of tgc, cause designing on ps4 suk sometimes...especially when you reach hole 7 to 9. If I had enough money I bought tgc pc version aswell...just for the designing. I lose interest atm on designing on ps4, cause of crashes and saving multiple times...very annoying and thats a shame realy, cause Im better at designing then play the tours...lol
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Post by SmilingGoats on Aug 6, 2016 6:27:13 GMT -5
My PC experience is on a gaming laptop that cost me between $800-$900. It runs the game but I keep the settings turned down. On this type of PC, the designer is just as slow if not slower than on the consoles. So you're probably going to need a PC with at least enough oomph to make it worth it.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 6, 2016 9:15:07 GMT -5
Having used PCs for the last 20 years, I have a pc that I can play TGC on and it works just perfectly. It has an i5-2500k (overclocked the bejeezus) 8 gb of DDR3 RAM And a 970 GTX. 550 PSU When you start getting a 780TI and/or 680ti, they have a lot of power but that is offset by the need for power from the PSU. The 970 is still expensive but is offset by using about 40% less power. TGC runs on cards like 960, 760, 750 and 650 (all having 2GB of RAM) so you can get away with those on the cheap. Even better if you can get a 650 or 750 with 4GB of RAM. Another option is to get an extra 8GB of RAM and creating a RAM Disk for TGC. Things absolutely fly on course creation then, just make sure you save regularly to a hard disk. Of course what good is it to have a good GPU if you have a crappy monitor that cannot even get a good resolution with 1080p (the minimum i would suggest). SSD vs HDD, there is no comparison anymore, you need both, one for booting and one for storage. There is no reason not to have an SSD anymore as they are so cheap and will be the single biggest upgrade you can do for any computer. This all adds up. For me there is no reason to 'cheap out' on a PC, if so, stick with the PS4.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 10:01:33 GMT -5
As a designer that has been using ps4, I would certainly recommend designing on PC. It's just sooooo much smoother, and I don't have to worry about crashes anymore.
** on a gaming laptop (wife and I both game, so got new ones in January) that runs about $1500. It's pricey, but completely worth it if you game.
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Post by joegolferg on Aug 6, 2016 12:40:04 GMT -5
Only you can answer that. We do not know: - your financial situation - how much you enjoy designing - how much time you plan on spending designing - whether you have other needs besides a new PC - whether you would rather spend your money elsewhere among other things. Personally, I would like a new PC myself that has a better graphics card than the one I already have, but $1,000 is out of my budget (a laptop is a must). I would like a PS4 so I could play online with my brother, but $350 is better spent elsewhere. And how much would either of those improve my overall experience? 10%? 20%? I don't know how to answer this question for you. Your situation could be radically different. All I can say is that, despite a very underpowered PC, my GNCD doesn't crash. He sells pegs for a living, he can easily afford it.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 6, 2016 13:40:05 GMT -5
Well in that case my suggestion would be going with a mid-level CPU, a 970 or 1060/1070 GPU with a nice monitor that handles g-sync and lots of MHz for refresh!
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Post by pyates on Aug 6, 2016 15:45:10 GMT -5
Well in that case my suggestion would be going with a mid-level CPU, a 970 or 1060/1070 GPU with a nice monitor that handles g-sync and lots of MHz for refresh! Cool, everything you've said suggests I'm on the money in terms of specs. I can vouch for SSDs as well... the difference is immense. I'll probably stick with a 240Gb SSD initially. We have a few external hard disks for additional storage if I needs it. By mid level CPU, I assume you mean am i5? That's what I'm going for anyways, AMD seems to be a false economy as the Intel CPUs seem to outperform similarly spec'd AMD varieties. Wish I'd gone ahead and ordered yesterday as the 970 appears to have been priced up wrong yesterday on the site I was looking at... I literally just had the thought that stock might run out due to demand so I was going to order just now... damn it. The price difference between 970 and 1060 is now a little smaller ... I'll dither some more Anyways, in terms of price there seems to be a sweet spot where you can get something pretty meaty without going crazy. You could easily double that spend but only get something like 25% more out of it... those numbers completely made up btw. But the basic fact is that PS4 < PC is only true if you get a decent enough PC... it certainly isn't a given
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Post by paulus on Aug 6, 2016 16:40:09 GMT -5
Anyways, in terms of price there seems to be a sweet spot where you can get something pretty meaty without going crazy. You could easily double that spend but only get something like 25% more out of it... those numbers completely made up btw. Bang on - it's called the law of diminishing returns You have to spend disproportionally loads more for small improvements. It's why elite level footballers get paid silly money. Head for the sweet spot - lots of good advice in this thread. Last piece from me - i5 plenty if you're building a desktop PC.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 6, 2016 16:48:12 GMT -5
The only major difference between an i5 and i7 is hyperthreading, so unless you are going to be doing multiple things at once, it isn't really useful for just playing games. There is also no major difference between DDR3 and DDR4 memory so you don't have to go the z170 route if you don't want. An x79 mb with an i5 4670, 4690 or 4790 is fine. You can get the K version if you wish to overclock. I would concentrate your money on the GPU as any i5 will play TGC just fine. TGC takes about 2-2.3gb of video ram so you really do get a benefit of a 4gb video card. The 970 has 3.5 of the fast ram and .5 of the slower, but TGC won't ever hit that limit, so it is a good card. I would then concentrate on a good monitor. You can choose TN or IPS model but try and get one with G-sync (then turn off v-sync in game) it really does make a difference.
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Post by pyates on Aug 6, 2016 19:06:07 GMT -5
Anyways, in terms of price there seems to be a sweet spot where you can get something pretty meaty without going crazy. You could easily double that spend but only get something like 25% more out of it... those numbers completely made up btw. Bang on - it's called the law of diminishing returns You have to spend disproportionally loads more for small improvements. It's why elite level footballers get paid silly money. Head for the sweet spot - lots of good advice in this thread. Last piece from me - i5 plenty if you're building a desktop PC. That's the one The only major difference between an i5 and i7 is hyperthreading, so unless you are going to be doing multiple things at once, it isn't really useful for just playing games. There is also no major difference between DDR3 and DDR4 memory so you don't have to go the z170 route if you don't want. An x79 mb with an i5 4670, 4690 or 4790 is fine. You can get the K version if you wish to overclock. I would concentrate your money on the GPU as any i5 will play TGC just fine. TGC takes about 2-2.3gb of video ram so you really do get a benefit of a 4gb video card. The 970 has 3.5 of the fast ram and .5 of the slower, but TGC won't ever hit that limit, so it is a good card. I would then concentrate on a good monitor. You can choose TN or IPS model but try and get one with G-sync (then turn off v-sync in game) it really does make a difference. Yeah I had heard that about the older architecture vs the newer stuff. I am really liking a particular bundle deal with a good motherboard, i5 and 4Gb of the RAM... Will ponder on it some more anyways with the old calculator. I don't think it will save me much going down to the older i5 and DDR3. I already have 2 decent monitors but I don't believe they have g sync ... not really looking to replace monitors so hoping it isn't a big deal. I'm sure I can put up with it for now Sorry Irving R. Levine... kinda stole your thread a little with the talk of what PC parts to buy... I say go for it . Another benefit you maybe haven't considered, you could potentially collaborate on a course using the PC if you could find a victim or two
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Post by dazzathfc on Aug 8, 2016 12:59:12 GMT -5
Definitely look for a bundle. You can get an i5 2500k with 8gb Ram all + board for around £150 which is around $195
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