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Post by Mick on Mar 11, 2016 9:36:43 GMT -5
At one time I made the Web Tour but failed to make about 75% of the cuts. When I used to be on CC-A I was usually near the upper third of all the players but this year I have struggled and got demoted down to CC-B. Once I started in CC-B, early on I quickly received a Sponsor's Exemption to play in CC-A again. Now I am near the bottom and will go back down to CC-B in all likelihood.
Is there a big gap between the Web Tour and CC-A and CC-B or am I just all over the map and inconsistent?
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Post by hmammoth on Mar 11, 2016 10:02:49 GMT -5
I have played on the web, cc-a and cc-b. This year alone I have played all 3 and I don't think there is a huge difference between them. I have been demoted and promoted and what I have found is that the skill level in all three tours is high. This means little room for error. All four rounds of a event have to be consistently good to have any hope of a top 10 or 20 finish. It is very competitive. Going down in between these tiers is not a sign of getting worse to me, just a sign of the quality of the players. Everyone that makes cc-a is good enough to make the web and I have little doubt you can make it back, just takes consistency and a little luck. The best thing to happen to me was getting demoted to cc-b, I was playing poorly on a, trying to hard at times. B let me settle down a little and work on my game. I was there awhile then hit a good patch of form, went to a, won there, earned my card on the web in the space of four weeks. If you do get demoted, there is a way back, stick with it, ignore leaderboards for a while, focus on your own game and you will find that good patch. All of us have bad patches, does not mean we are getting worse, happens with all aspects of life. It came good for me, it will for you, just make sure you enjoy the ups and downs of the tgctours roller coaster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 11:09:21 GMT -5
Mick, I am currently in CC-C and a stroke away from exemption to B. My game has improved a lot since I started back in October when I was just flat out horrible. I think Scott said it best to me when I was confused as to why I was having so much trouble even though I had been playing for so long. Most people pick up this game really fast. Truth is, it's not that hard. There is no physical skill involved. Not really. It's all math and course management. Once you "learn" how to play this game, there is really very little that separates the upper tiers. I have my theories on what the nit pick details are that I'll share below.
1) Calculating and playing the winds - Right now, this may be the toughest part of the game. The winds have changed recently as far as how the ball reacts. In fact, there is a thread on this in the driving range. I'm in the process of creating new wind charts with another player. This might be a reason for your scores going up, if they are. Longer putts due to poorer approach shots means fewer birdies.
2) Putting - This is the one thing that separates the men from the boys. My putting is getting better but there is still room for tons of improvement. I miss too many easy putts. Putting is probably the most accurate part of this game and the most difficult thing to master. That's why Sweeney is #1. He doesn't miss putts. The man is a machine.
3) Mindset - Sometimes you have a few bad outings and you start to build a negative mindset. I am the poster boy for this. When that happens, things just snowball. You have to try to stay positive at all times. Negativity kills any competitive sport.
The rest is all mechanical. Unless you have a worn out controller, driving off the tee is automatic. It's the reason why we see so many narrow fairways in this game. There is simply no challenge off the tee. So what's left is your approach shot and your putt. That's where all the scoring takes place.
Thus, there really isn't a lot to separate us. Take a look at just about any tier. Heck, look at the one I'm in right now. I'm a stroke away from an exemption and at the same time, only 7 strokes away from earning a strike. It's crazy. The log jam on each tier reminds me of those westerns where the cowboy would be rounding up all the cattle. I'm 19 under through 3 rounds and just an average Joe. Shooting par shouldn't be a penalty, but in this game, because of how easy it is, it is a penalty.
And I think, as all these guys get more and more practice, things are going to get even harder. I've gone from shooting mid 70s to mid to low 60s and maybe 1 or 2 under par in hurricane winds on a bad day. I'm testing courses as a Ranger for PGA/Euro players and shooting under par. That shouldn't happen for some scrub in CC-C. But again, because this game is so easy, there is very little difference between the upper tiers.
So yeah, it's getting tougher and it's going to get even tougher still. I wouldn't be surprised to someday make Web and at the same time find myself back in D or E.
My advice> Stay positive. Keep playing and work on those 3 areas I highlighted above.
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Post by pablo on Mar 11, 2016 11:17:48 GMT -5
Mick, I am currently in CC-C and a stroke away from exemption to B. My game has improved a lot since I started back in October when I was just flat out horrible. I think Scott said it best to me when I was confused as to why I was having so much trouble even though I had been playing for so long. Most people pick up this game really fast. Truth is, it's not that hard. There is no physical skill involved. Not really. It's all math and course management. Once you "learn" how to play this game, there is really very little that separates the upper tiers. I have my theories on what the nit pick details are that I'll share below. 1) Calculating and playing the winds - Right now, this may be the toughest part of the game. The winds have changed recently as far as how the ball reacts. In fact, there is a thread on this in the driving range. I'm in the process of creating new wind charts with another player. This might be a reason for your scores going up, if they are. Longer putts due to poorer approach shots means fewer birdies. 2) Putting - This is the one thing that separates the men from the boys. My putting is getting better but there is still room for tons of improvement. I miss too many easy putts. Putting is probably the most accurate part of this game and the most difficult thing to master. That's why Sweeney is #1. He doesn't miss putts. The man is a machine. 3) Mindset - Sometimes you have a few bad outings and you start to build a negative mindset. I am the poster boy for this. When that happens, things just snowball. You have to try to stay positive at all times. Negativity kills any competitive sport. The rest is all mechanical. Unless you have a worn out controller, driving off the tee is automatic. It's the reason why we see so many narrow fairways in this game. There is simply no challenge off the tee. So what's left is your approach shot and your putt. That's where all the scoring takes place. Thus, there really isn't a lot to separate us. Take a look at just about any tier. Heck, look at the one I'm in right now. I'm a stroke away from an exemption and at the same time, only 7 strokes away from earning a strike. It's crazy. The log jam on each tier reminds me of those westerns where the cowboy would be rounding up all the cattle. I'm 19 under through 3 rounds and just an average Joe. Shooting par shouldn't be a penalty, but in this game, because of how easy it is, it is a penalty. And I think, as all these guys get more and more practice, things are going to get even harder. I've gone from shooting mid 70s to mid to low 60s and maybe 1 or 2 under par in hurricane winds on a bad day. I'm testing courses as a Ranger for PGA/Euro players and shooting under par. That shouldn't happen for some scrub in CC-C. But again, because this game is so easy, there is very little difference between the upper tiers. So yeah, it's getting tougher and it's going to get even tougher still. I wouldn't be surprised to someday make Web and at the same time find myself back in D or E. My advice> Stay positive. Keep playing and work on those 3 areas I highlighted above. Someone tells me three months ago that wagtunes was going to finish a post with "Stay positive", and I'd have taken that someone for crazy. But he is completely right
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Post by Andrea on Mar 11, 2016 11:19:38 GMT -5
Mick, I am currently in CC-C and a stroke away from exemption to B. My game has improved a lot since I started back in October when I was just flat out horrible. I think Scott said it best to me when I was confused as to why I was having so much trouble even though I had been playing for so long. Most people pick up this game really fast. Truth is, it's not that hard. There is no physical skill involved. Not really. It's all math and course management. Once you "learn" how to play this game, there is really very little that separates the upper tiers. I have my theories on what the nit pick details are that I'll share below. 1) Calculating and playing the winds - Right now, this may be the toughest part of the game. The winds have changed recently as far as how the ball reacts. In fact, there is a thread on this in the driving range. I'm in the process of creating new wind charts with another player. This might be a reason for your scores going up, if they are. Longer putts due to poorer approach shots means fewer birdies. 2) Putting - This is the one thing that separates the men from the boys. My putting is getting better but there is still room for tons of improvement. I miss too many easy putts. Putting is probably the most accurate part of this game and the most difficult thing to master. That's why Sweeney is #1. He doesn't miss putts. The man is a machine. 3) Mindset - Sometimes you have a few bad outings and you start to build a negative mindset. I am the poster boy for this. When that happens, things just snowball. You have to try to stay positive at all times. Negativity kills any competitive sport. The rest is all mechanical. Unless you have a worn out controller, driving off the tee is automatic. It's the reason why we see so many narrow fairways in this game. There is simply no challenge off the tee. So what's left is your approach shot and your putt. That's where all the scoring takes place. Thus, there really isn't a lot to separate us. Take a look at just about any tier. Heck, look at the one I'm in right now. I'm a stroke away from an exemption and at the same time, only 7 strokes away from earning a strike. It's crazy. The log jam on each tier reminds me of those westerns where the cowboy would be rounding up all the cattle. I'm 19 under through 3 rounds and just an average Joe. Shooting par shouldn't be a penalty, but in this game, because of how easy it is, it is a penalty. And I think, as all these guys get more and more practice, things are going to get even harder. I've gone from shooting mid 70s to mid to low 60s and maybe 1 or 2 under par in hurricane winds on a bad day. I'm testing courses as a Ranger for PGA/Euro players and shooting under par. That shouldn't happen for some scrub in CC-C. But again, because this game is so easy, there is very little difference between the upper tiers. So yeah, it's getting tougher and it's going to get even tougher still. I wouldn't be surprised to someday make Web and at the same time find myself back in D or E. My advice> Stay positive. Keep playing and work on those 3 areas I highlighted above. These words should be SET IN STONE My friends Point 1, 2, 3 are what separates CC players from Euro/PGA/Web players. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 11:25:29 GMT -5
Mick, I am currently in CC-C and a stroke away from exemption to B. My game has improved a lot since I started back in October when I was just flat out horrible. I think Scott said it best to me when I was confused as to why I was having so much trouble even though I had been playing for so long. Most people pick up this game really fast. Truth is, it's not that hard. There is no physical skill involved. Not really. It's all math and course management. Once you "learn" how to play this game, there is really very little that separates the upper tiers. I have my theories on what the nit pick details are that I'll share below. 1) Calculating and playing the winds - Right now, this may be the toughest part of the game. The winds have changed recently as far as how the ball reacts. In fact, there is a thread on this in the driving range. I'm in the process of creating new wind charts with another player. This might be a reason for your scores going up, if they are. Longer putts due to poorer approach shots means fewer birdies. 2) Putting - This is the one thing that separates the men from the boys. My putting is getting better but there is still room for tons of improvement. I miss too many easy putts. Putting is probably the most accurate part of this game and the most difficult thing to master. That's why Sweeney is #1. He doesn't miss putts. The man is a machine. 3) Mindset - Sometimes you have a few bad outings and you start to build a negative mindset. I am the poster boy for this. When that happens, things just snowball. You have to try to stay positive at all times. Negativity kills any competitive sport. The rest is all mechanical. Unless you have a worn out controller, driving off the tee is automatic. It's the reason why we see so many narrow fairways in this game. There is simply no challenge off the tee. So what's left is your approach shot and your putt. That's where all the scoring takes place. Thus, there really isn't a lot to separate us. Take a look at just about any tier. Heck, look at the one I'm in right now. I'm a stroke away from an exemption and at the same time, only 7 strokes away from earning a strike. It's crazy. The log jam on each tier reminds me of those westerns where the cowboy would be rounding up all the cattle. I'm 19 under through 3 rounds and just an average Joe. Shooting par shouldn't be a penalty, but in this game, because of how easy it is, it is a penalty. And I think, as all these guys get more and more practice, things are going to get even harder. I've gone from shooting mid 70s to mid to low 60s and maybe 1 or 2 under par in hurricane winds on a bad day. I'm testing courses as a Ranger for PGA/Euro players and shooting under par. That shouldn't happen for some scrub in CC-C. But again, because this game is so easy, there is very little difference between the upper tiers. So yeah, it's getting tougher and it's going to get even tougher still. I wouldn't be surprised to someday make Web and at the same time find myself back in D or E. My advice> Stay positive. Keep playing and work on those 3 areas I highlighted above. These words should be SET IN STONE My friends Point 1, 2, 3 are what separates CC players from Euro/PGA/Web players. Period. Andrea, my mindset with this game has done a complete 180. I go into each round now expecting to do well and when I miss a birdie putt, I'm mad at myself. Shouldn't happen on the easy ones. And making bogie on a hole is just plain unacceptable. That mindset has me a stroke away from exemption to B. A month ago I was in E class hoping not to end up in Z. But it won't be easy. There are a ton of good golfers out there. Cattle doesn't even begin to describe it.
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Post by boomboom on Mar 11, 2016 11:54:04 GMT -5
One of the best posts I have ever read on here, good job wags, keep it up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 11:57:30 GMT -5
One of the best posts I have ever read on here, good job wags, keep it up. And from me yet. Who'd a thunk it? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 12:42:58 GMT -5
At one time I made the Web Tour but failed to make about 75% of the cuts. When I used to be on CC-A I was usually near the upper third of all the players but this year I have struggled and got demoted down to CC-B. Once I started in CC-B, early on I quickly received a Sponsor's Exemption to play in CC-A again. Now I am near the bottom and will go back down to CC-B in all likelihood. Is there a big gap between the Web Tour and CC-A and CC-B or am I just all over the map and inconsistent? hello Mick its been a while since I competed in CC-A but back when I started this season in CC-C I found CC-C and CC-B much more competitive than CC-A if it still is like that I think there is a big gap between WEB and CC-A if you take away the ones coming trough the lower CC's just passing trough on their way to the pro tours
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 11, 2016 13:03:06 GMT -5
Two other elements separate the elite from the rest
1. Chipping. Guys at the top MAKE several chips per tournament. Not just get up and down for par should they miss the green.
2. Learn just where to stop the ball, and how to get it there. Read the green to find the best putt or chip for birdie. They find the straightest line from below the hole on a consistent basis, whether or not that line is still on the green. Then they execute the approach that puts them there.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 11, 2016 15:26:42 GMT -5
I brought the bandido posse...of course it's tougher...we don't 1/2 ass anything
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 15:28:53 GMT -5
Two other elements separate the elite from the rest 1. Chipping. Guys at the top MAKE several chips per tournament. Not just get up and down for par should they miss the green. 2. Learn just where to stop the ball, and how to get it there. Read the green to find the best putt or chip for birdie. They find the straightest line from below the hole on a consistent basis, whether or not that line is still on the green. Then they execute the approach that puts them there. That's great advice. Practice those chips because you can pick up 3-4 strokes a round if you can learn to nail those 8-12 foot chips.
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Post by Mick on Mar 11, 2016 20:29:19 GMT -5
Thanks everyone, great replies! This community time and time again is what makes this game for me. As for the points let me quickly run through them because they are very good ones.
1. The wind did hurt me when i was in the Web Tour but ever since I was demoted it hasn't been all that strong lately. I can't really blame that on my game.
2. Now this is where we agree 100%. To put it bluntly my putting sucks. Maybe it's because I play on low settings on my PC since I like the 1080p display but my set-up won't allow anything higher with a decent frame rate. I have a hard time reading the grade at times and I get lazy and don't go to the low camera to help which is another problem of mine, patience! lol. Way too many lip-outs.
3. It happens. I miss an easy putt and just like real golf it's hard to forget about it. The one thing that bugs me though is the landing. Sometimes you hit the green and it rolls and rolls or you hit the front of the green and the bounces are terrible.
All in all you are right and those that do practice before a round will likely do better than those that don't. I usually just play a few holes, get used to the greens then play the real round. What I should do is write down what some of the clubs do because one of them I think has about a 95 yard distance and every time I forget it spins like crazy on the green.
Again, thanks everyone. Great help!
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Post by Griz891 on Mar 11, 2016 21:09:24 GMT -5
They could have a ZZ-Z Class and I wouldn't care. I just look forward to playing in a tournament every week....LMAO!!
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Post by pablo on Mar 12, 2016 3:02:43 GMT -5
They could have a ZZ-Z Class and I wouldn't care. I just look forward to playing in a tournament every week....LMAO!! I agree in this 1000%. I just want tournaments on a weekly basis. I don't care about anything else. Competing and being competitive
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