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Post by bruce on Mar 2, 2016 9:21:53 GMT -5
I understand this is supposed to help, but to me all it seems to want to do is stick you in aplace you'll never be competitive. For example you get put in a Challenge tour where you pretty much fall somewhere into the middle never really advancing till eventualy you get demoted to a lower tour. You play one or two tours and all of a sudden your getting an exemption to go right back where you just were . So you never really get a chance where you were to even make a top finish or even win. Now does that sound right ? Granted I know you want players to improve, but at least give them a chance to prove themselves where they are before moving them up. I think right now its top ten percent. I finished 24th in the last tour yet I got an exemption. Top ten percent with around 100 players should have been the top ten, so why did I get one ?
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Post by champ39 on Mar 2, 2016 9:36:57 GMT -5
February was " moving month " so exemptions were at 30% Back to normal from next week.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 2, 2016 10:24:36 GMT -5
I understand this is supposed to help, but to me all it seems to want to do is stick you in aplace you'll never be competitive. For example you get put in a Challenge tour where you pretty much fall somewhere into the middle never really advancing till eventualy you get demoted to a lower tour. You play one or two tours and all of a sudden your getting an exemption to go right back where you just were . So you never really get a chance where you were to even make a top finish or even win. Now does that sound right ? Granted I know you want players to improve, but at least give them a chance to prove themselves where they are before moving them up. I think right now its top ten percent. I finished 24th in the last tour yet I got an exemption. Top ten percent with around 100 players should have been the top ten, so why did I get one ? Yes, that does sound right. Most people want to move up and have the opportunity to challenge themselves. Please understand that the Challenge Circuit in general is a developmental circuit. It is not meant for you to stay in one place. It is meant for you to improve and move. In every Tour, whether PGA, Euro, Web or CCD, there is always going to be a bottom half. If you are finishing in the top of your current tour, you need to move up. It is the circle of life at TGCT.
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Post by BayouBengals on Mar 2, 2016 11:07:08 GMT -5
As far as the exemption system goes, like champ39 stated above, it is a little exaggerated this month due to the higher number of exemptions.
However, as far as the system as a whole, I believe it to be an accurate, fair process. It is meant to place you in a tour where your skill level matches with those in that tour. If you happen to receive an exemption, that is obviously the direct result of you performing better than most of the field. If your exemption was the result of a fluke tournament and you don't think you belong in the higher tour, then you will fall back to your original tour. I was placed in CC-C three weeks ago and have moved up to CC-A after two tournaments (T-7th and 3rd in those tournaments and currently 1st after 2 rounds this week). So, in my situation, exemptions have helped, and continue to help, place me in the most competitive field as possible.
Also, not to state the obvious, but people improve over time. Practice will eventually to lead better performance.
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Post by bruce on Mar 2, 2016 12:24:40 GMT -5
So in other words you have no "static" tours where some weeks you do well and others you don't. You'll never really be in one tour for very long. I guess thats where I disagree, and not everyone improves over time with more practice. As k any golfer and he'll tell you where they have peaked, and thats pretty match where you'll stay. Why would I want to go back to a tour where I never really belonged in the first place anyway ? I can see If you constantly win or place in the top ten every week. But you do good once and go back to a higher tier, that to me makes no more sense than putting another Clinton in office. But then again look at all the people who think thats a good idea.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 2, 2016 12:33:05 GMT -5
Can I ask you how long you have been playing the game?
I hear you and what you are saying, however, I do not think the CC tours are set up for a person to stay put, or want to stay put for that matter. It is about playing against others of similar skill in a competitive environment while still keeping it at a developmental concept. The goal is to always move higher. Sometimes for some players, it just takes a little longer.
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Post by BayouBengals on Mar 2, 2016 14:18:11 GMT -5
Can I ask you how long you have been playing the game? I hear you and what you are saying, however, I do not think the CC tours are set up for a person to stay put, or want to stay put for that matter. It is about playing against others of similar skill in a competitive environment while still keeping it at a developmental concept. The goal is to always move higher. Sometimes for some players, it just takes a little longer. I played on and off last year from May-October. Just started back up about a month ago.
I've played golf my whole life though, currently a 4 handicap. I think my knowledge (understanding the physics of each shot such as roll out, back spin, etc.) of the game has a little to do with how quickly I was able pick it up. Also, I'm pretty decent at any video game I've ever played. I should add that I'm playing on my topnotch PC that I built. That helps with the game running smoothly without lag.
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Post by ErixonStone on Mar 3, 2016 0:45:03 GMT -5
So in other words you have no "static" tours where some weeks you do well and others you don't. You'll never really be in one tour for very long. I guess thats where I disagree, and not everyone improves over time with more practice. As k any golfer and he'll tell you where they have peaked, and thats pretty match where you'll stay. Why would I want to go back to a tour where I never really belonged in the first place anyway ? I can see If you constantly win or place in the top ten every week. But you do good once and go back to a higher tier, that to me makes no more sense than putting another Clinton in office. But then again look at all the people who think thats a good idea. Static tours where you stay put for the year are the "Pro" tours - PGA, Euro, and Web.com tours. The Challenge Circuit is less about "winning" than it is about improving your game. Once things start to "click", you'll start consistently moving up the flights. There are plenty of stories where someone's light bulb just went on one day and they moved from CC-D up to CC-A in a matter of weeks, and are battling for an exemption to try to qualify for Web.com.
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Post by coggin66 on Mar 3, 2016 4:19:12 GMT -5
So in other words you have no "static" tours where some weeks you do well and others you don't. You'll never really be in one tour for very long. I guess thats where I disagree, and not everyone improves over time with more practice. As k any golfer and he'll tell you where they have peaked, and thats pretty match where you'll stay. Why would I want to go back to a tour where I never really belonged in the first place anyway ? I can see If you constantly win or place in the top ten every week. But you do good once and go back to a higher tier, that to me makes no more sense than putting another Clinton in office. But then again look at all the people who think thats a good idea. Static tours where you stay put for the year are the "Pro" tours - PGA, Euro, and Web.com tours. The Challenge Circuit is less about "winning" than it is about improving your game. Once things start to "click", you'll start consistently moving up the flights. There are plenty of stories where someone's light bulb just went on one day and they moved from CC-D up to CC-A in a matter of weeks, and are battling for an exemption to try to qualify for Web.com. Agreed. That's exactly what happened to me. Once you find an initial level post Q-school (which may or may not put you in the right tier) you will probably settle in a position that will leave you mid-division until your next improvement when you will climb to another tier's mid-pack position. I spent 2 months in D before things came together. I then went up to A within 2 months and now I'm mid-pack of A waiting for the improvement that will hopefully take me to Web. Things are deliberately a bit more fluid at the moment though due to moving month filling up the upper tiers again.
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Post by bruce on Mar 6, 2016 15:53:27 GMT -5
I averaged about -3 to -4 under per round and that score moves me back up to CC-B ? That not even good enough to finish 50th or worse in CC-B, never mind CC-C. I pretty much have stayed static, matter of fact If anything I've gotten worse, probably because of the lousy lag I keep having with my PS4, and the addition of much more wind than we started with. So now I can play in CC-B until I get enough demotions yet again to fall back into CC-C again. So for me at least who is actually being consistant and staying "static" It seems that is not what you want to do. I am truly perplexed.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Mar 6, 2016 16:20:29 GMT -5
If you're good enough to finish in the top 30% then surely you're good enough to play in the next tier? Or am I missing something? There isn't THAT big a leap in standard between individual tiers, it's noticeable but not insurmountable. Averaging -3/-4 was pretty good at Hiwassee - it was a tough course, especially the third round!
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