lehmanwins
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TGCT Name: MJ Pineault
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Post by lehmanwins on Feb 11, 2016 19:27:46 GMT -5
Probably the wrong forum to discuss the signing of the scorecard, but this is the only area where TGC Tours is stricter than IRL. Ask anyone who has played competitive golf and the signing of your scorecard isn't exactly a nerve racking experience like it can be on here.
The process: The starter will usually hand out the pin sheet, go over local rules, and give your scorecard to a competitor to start the round. He's supposed to keep track of your score.
At the top of the scorecard it will perforated with a little box for each hole to write your own scores in and the main part of the card to write your competitors score in.
When u finish the round u sit down at a tent next to the green with the guy/gal helping run the scoring.
There I usually tear the perforated bit of the card off with my scores. Sign the scorers box for the signature and hand my competitor his card to look over.
He will hand me mine. I line up the scores from the part I tore off and make sure each hole is correct.
If there's a discrepancy it's discussed. And by discussed I mean usually the guy just goes "oh yea you did birdie/par/bogey that hole" and it is corrected.
You don't even have to add the score up if you don't want. You're job is to make sure that the score on each hole is correct.
Then you attest the scorecard and give it to the person working the scoring tent. They add it up and say your score. At that point it is out of your hands.
They only go off of the scores on each hole. So if you wrote 73 and you had a 74. They just put 74. You will NOT be DQ'ed because you added wrong/thought you shot a lower score. You will only be DQ'ed if a score for one of the holes is incorrect and lower than your actual score.
I'm not saying we need to change the rule as I'm not sure how to implement anything different but just thought I'd let the big wigs of the tour know how it works IRL since we are always trying to mimic it. /rant
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 11, 2016 20:41:44 GMT -5
Those are the rules of golf.
The ritual of signing for your score is what is important here imo - and TGCT upholds that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 20:50:13 GMT -5
Those are the rules of golf. The ritual of signing for your score is what is important here imo - and TGCT upholds that. You can sign it anything you want. Signing it incorrectly holds no penalty. I would guess it won't take a score unless you sign it (could be wrong), so the signing of the scorecard is moot if you can only submit with signing it and signing it is required to submit. I do find it interesting that, if true, you submit a lower score than what is actually recorded, it just takes the higher (and proper) score. There is where API data comes in and the proper score is put in place.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 11, 2016 22:03:16 GMT -5
Prior to the API I felt this was an important part of the TGC. You were attesting that the score you entered was correct and the only way to verify it was to have spotters go into the tournaments and check. It took time and effort of volunteers to check, thus if there was a discrepancy there should be a penalty.
Now with the API, this extra step of verification is RARELY needed.
Honestly if a person types in the wrong number, hits submit and realizes, Oh sh%$ I meant 64 instead of 63, in RL you have time to erase that number and write the correct one before you hand it over.
What I would like to see is that a person can go back and EDIT their score up to the time that the score is posted on the leader board. Everyone makes a mistake and may not realize it immediately. Fat fingers, sticky keyboards or whatever the reason a wrong number can be entered. I know it is a more coding and perhaps that is reason enough, but seriously, if the score you are entering isn't going to be posted for the rest of the world to see for another 2 days, I think you should be able to correct it if you see the mistake. If you don't see it in time and it is posted and is different from the API, then fine, a DQ.
Right now the ONLY reason we are signing the card is to keep to a tradition of RL, which really isn't a tradition. RL doesn't submit their scores via a computer by typing a name. I just feel it is silly now with the API we are so hard assed about this (among other things) when the purpose of this is to have fun, mistakes and all.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 11, 2016 22:19:37 GMT -5
Never more nerve racking than entering scores last week when I finally came up with a decent set of rounds to make promotion. I had the screenshot of my scores on another window and I was still nervous about hitting submit.
I really like Ron's suggestion to allow you to edit your score before the deadline.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 11, 2016 22:22:51 GMT -5
So to be realistic we have to have players enter 18 individual hole scores correctly instead of 1 total score (that is displayed on the screen if viewing scorecard) Not sure that will go over well!
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 11, 2016 22:24:28 GMT -5
So to be realistic we have to have players enter 18 individual hole scores correctly instead of 1 total score Not sure that will go over well! I think having the ability to edit a score incase you make a fat fingered oopsie up until the point it posts isn't so bad. or No scores entered needed, let the API do it's work. No DQ's ever!
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Post by Doyley on Feb 11, 2016 22:25:21 GMT -5
So to be realistic we have to have players enter 18 individual hole scores correctly instead of 1 total score Not sure that will go over well! I think having the ability to edit a score incase you make a fat fingered oopsie up until the point it posts isn't so bad. or No scores entered needed, let the API do it's work. No DQ's ever! So the red text that pops up that says "You shot 11-under" prior to hitting the submit button doesn't help? You guys are killing me lol. Slow down, take your time and respect the score submission process. That sentence applies to both real life and TGCT score submission.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 22:36:48 GMT -5
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Post by blackaces13 on Feb 11, 2016 22:45:13 GMT -5
Seems like being responsible for 18 numbers all being correct is more stressful than being responsible for 1.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 11, 2016 22:46:43 GMT -5
Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy? He hasn't played in a tournament since.
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Post by yaters on Feb 11, 2016 22:53:21 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. I fell victim to putting in the wrong scores once. I entered my R1 for R2 and visa versa. Not sure why or how. I saw my total on the leaderboard for those rounds and thought all was well. Even if I could edit I don't think I'd have gone back and thought something was wrong.
I wouldn't be opposed to allowing edits up to cut day. If someone made an honest mistake it's a shame to get a DQ. My only worry would be people playing 'games' with the leaderboard. Post high scores and then edit them last minute - "Surprise!" Moe would probably make a new category like Edit-lurker-watcher or something. Seems a little far fetched, but it wouldn't surprise me if some did that.
I also wouldn't be opposed to changing nothing with the system. As Doyley said, take your time and enter them correctly.
It doesn't mimic real life. But I like that it adds a bit of realism to the tour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 22:56:54 GMT -5
Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy? He hasn't played in a tournament since. I don't know. Not really my concern. My issue is that they weren't DQed. You are DQed for signing a scorecard lower than what API shows. It was pretty well shown, IMO, that these two did not finish round four in game, so I find it a puzzling contradiction that they are still on the leaderboards and not at the bottom among the WD, DNPs, and DQs. That is more to my point. I think that using the API catches these types of things where people try to abuse the system for one reason or another. I would think the staff has a true/false for API matching the scorecards sent by the player, but I just wonder why someone is allowed to stay on a leaderboard when it shows a false.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 11, 2016 23:04:08 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. I fell victim to putting in the wrong scores once. I entered my R1 for R2 and visa versa. Not sure why or how. I saw my total on the leaderboard for those rounds and thought all was well. Even if I could edit I don't think I'd have gone back and thought something was wrong. I wouldn't be opposed to allowing edits up to cut day. If someone made an honest mistake it's a shame to get a DQ. My only worry would be people playing 'games' with the leaderboard. Post high scores and then edit them last minute - "Surprise!" Moe would probably make a new category like Edit-lurker-watcher or something. Seems a little far fetched, but it wouldn't surprise me if some did that. I also wouldn't be opposed to changing nothing with the system. As Doyley said, take your time and enter them correctly. It doesn't mimic real life. But I like that it adds a bit of realism to the tour. Good point, didn't think of that. I suppose if edits were allowed, there would have to be some sort of limit so that it's not happening every week. Shame that whatever system is in place there will always be someone that wants to game it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 23:05:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy? He hasn't played in a tournament since. I don't know. Not really my concern. My issue is that they weren't DQed. You are DQed for signing a scorecard lower than what API shows. It was pretty well shown, IMO, that these two did not finish round four in game, so I find it a puzzling contradiction that they are still on the leaderboards and not at the bottom among the WD, DNPs, and DQs. That is more to my point. I think that using the API catches these types of things where people try to abuse the system for one reason or another. I would think the staff has a true/false for API matching the scorecards sent by the player, but I just wonder why someone is allowed to stay on a leaderboard when it shows a false. After reading this over, I really don't mean at all to sound critical of how the staff handles things but it kind of comes across that way, I apologize. Even if nothing changes, I am hoping that using actual examples helps give a little bit of awareness/vigilance both to staff and to fellow TGCT members for things like this.
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