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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 19:16:56 GMT -5
Oswinner and gavlaar often play their round live together. Im sure there are people that play live. I reckon if it ever becomes an option to disable ghosts for event creators it will go (On TGCTours) and rightly so in my opinion.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 19:19:13 GMT -5
The weekly scores got ridiculous with the last wind (or lack thereof) "fix" and the elimination of ball squirt. Of late scores have been high particularly this week but i wudn say overall they hav been and lookin at the next few courses on PGA & EURO i dont see them reaching -60s for a gud few weeks. Im not convinced Ball Squirt is gone either . If anything its effect has been reduced.
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Post by boomboom on Feb 5, 2016 19:50:11 GMT -5
let me try and be more rational then.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" I see threads like this and that 500 year old quote always is the very first thing that pops into my mind. Why? because it is absolutely true today and this is certainly not my first rodeo. So yeah threads like this piss me off, but they piss me off because 99 times out of hundred it's the opposite that's really going on. That's human nature, that's the phycology behind this stuff. Its called deflection. Just like the murderer always inserting themselves into the investigation. I say no more.
1 and 2 still have not been explained or any rational reason given how anyone is at an advantage. I play 5 or 6 practice rounds, WTF am I missing and what should I be mapping. I thought about notes before but figured it was pointless with the different winds. Practice rounds are useless as they are far more windy and far more inconsistent than tournament rounds. I wish I could practice the tournament in the tournament winds, then that would be likely a different story. By the way I don't really care that much, the only ghost available to me since playing on the PGA tour when I start my rounds is crazy cannuck. I'm sure he would be first to suggest that is not likely advisable. Because I start with him I usually finish with him. I don't need the ghost information, I zoom in on the green and look for myself and plot my own course. I prefer to plot my own course to the hole. However I play early. I'm sure if I played later than yeah there might be better ghosts to follow. But to be clear, my rounds are said and done much earlier than 95 percent of the people here. Which I guess is the question you might be asking, Why all the waiting? personally though I still would much rather play it early than late and even if I did play late, I think it better to plot my own course to the hole. I may know the club the ghost is using but I have no idea the loft they used, and that to me is an important piece of missing information to gain that much advantage from the ghost. But I can see that's just me, so no ghost rule has no effect on me so knock yourself out. I like playing with CC, but I can just as easily not, makes really no difference to me.
Dawn patrol, which I also hear has been mentioned as another concern that people are gaining an advantage watching that. I assume that will be next or a number 5 to be brought up soon. Seems to me to be better suited for #1, but I will watch with interest when this gets brought up as well.
3. I don't give a shi-t if you electrocute them, but I always proceed with an abundance of caution. You can willy nilly drop that label on anyone of your choosing hiding behind the perceived security of your computer screen. I also asked for a definition. Simple enough. I seen the interesting discussion regarding someone having more than 1 account and the advantage gained by playing the same tourney on different accounts. First thing I did was imagine the intricate detail required to play like that. All I can say to that is wow. It might be worth taking 6 hours to play a round if this were real money, but this is fake for fun. 1 Mile an hour difference in wind having a 15 foot effect, I would imagine someone doing this would need to spend a significant amount of time to gain an advantage. But I guess it's possible, but certainly easily traceable NO with the current api data. Anyone doing this would be caught in a heartbeat though. So forgive me for thinking that this is also delusional for 2 reasons. The amount of work required to make the perfect shot and most importantly the perfect putts is beyond anything I think most people would do for fake money. 2. It is so easily traceable, no one would be able to get away with this ever. The data api's collect and the timestamps I know are there, so no way that's an issue. But sure if you want to nuke people for having more than 1 account, knock yourself out. But once that net is cast, it's cast. You can come up with any BS excuse like college dorm internet, apartment condo internet, son daughter father mother all having an account, but once caught in the net, Nukem, and Nukem good and Nukem all, no excuses allowed. 1 IP 1 account, if more than 1 IP is played on an account, delete them all immediately, don't leave 1, ban the IP address and Nuke all the accounts.
4. Its not the streaming in so much as the recording that plays havoc on many machines. I can stream, quality is an eyesore though because of .05 upload. But I would be lying if I said it did not tax my machine as well. I have no hope of making top 20, to many cheaters here for that to happen.
Rational enough for you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 19:58:24 GMT -5
Boomboom. I brought up an actual example that happened last season. When the winds were locked and not variable. Numerous accounts were the same ip.
Same person did shady dealings on web a few weeks ago by posting a 76 in round 4 when they had a 4 foot putt on 72nd hole for a 56 just so they didnt have to win and move up.
I could go on more, but then i get into speculation.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 5, 2016 20:06:15 GMT -5
Boomboom. I brought up an actual example that happened last season. When the winds were locked and not variable. Numerous accounts were the same ip. Same person did shady dealings on web a few weeks ago by posting a 76 in round 4 when they had a 4 foot putt on 72nd hole for a 56 just so they didnt have to win and move up. I could go on more, but then i get into speculation. That's messed up
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Post by boomboom on Feb 5, 2016 20:07:32 GMT -5
Boomboom. I brought up an actual example that happened last season. When the winds were locked and not variable. Numerous accounts were the same ip. Same person did shady dealings on web a few weeks ago by posting a 76 in round 4 when they had a 4 foot putt on 72nd hole for a 56 just so they didnt have to win and move up. I could go on more, but then i get into speculation. Hmmm, they were caught, that's my point, they were caught, you can't get away with that, like straight shooting, you can't get away with that. Sandbagging has been around as long as golf has, I guess that is also cheating. I assume an assumption is being made as to the reason, fair enough. Nukem as well.
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Post by blackaces13 on Feb 5, 2016 20:07:43 GMT -5
This seems like a good place for a derail, what is Dawn Patrol?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 20:09:52 GMT -5
Canuck and usually others play the next weeks event (PGA players mostly) within minutes of the new week going live
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Post by boomboom on Feb 5, 2016 20:11:02 GMT -5
This seems like a good place for a derail, what is Dawn Patrol? Its the weekly TGCTLIVE show that happens the second the tourney is opened up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 20:11:33 GMT -5
Boomboom. I brought up an actual example that happened last season. When the winds were locked and not variable. Numerous accounts were the same ip. Same person did shady dealings on web a few weeks ago by posting a 76 in round 4 when they had a 4 foot putt on 72nd hole for a 56 just so they didnt have to win and move up. I could go on more, but then i get into speculation. Hmmm, they were caught, that's my point, they were caught, you can't get away with that, like straight shooting, you can't get away with that. Sandbagging has been around as long as golf has, I guess that is also cheating. I assume an assumption is being made as to the reason, fair enough. Nukem as well. Their punishment for sandbagging was to be kicked UP to the Euro tour. So to me they are getting a 3rd chance. Very blatant things were done. Ive said enough on this now.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 20:16:13 GMT -5
let me try and be more rational then. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" I see threads like this and that 500 year old quote always is the very first thing that pops into my mind. Why? because it is absolutely true today and this is certainly not my first rodeo. So yeah threads like this piss me off, but they piss me off because 99 times out of hundred it's the opposite that's really going on. That's human nature, that's the phycology behind this stuff. Its called deflection. Just like the murderer always inserting themselves into the investigation. I say no more. 1 and 2 still have not been explained or any rational reason given how anyone is at an advantage. I play 5 or 6 practice rounds, WTF am I missing and what should I be mapping. I thought about notes before but figured it was pointless with the different winds. Practice rounds are useless as they are far more windy and far more inconsistent than tournament rounds. I wish I could practice the tournament in the tournament winds, then that would be likely a different story. By the way I don't really care that much, the only ghost available to me since playing on the PGA tour when I start my rounds is crazy cannuck. I'm sure he would be first to suggest that is not likely advisable. Because I start with him I usually finish with him. I don't need the ghost information, I zoom in on the green and look for myself and plot my own course. I prefer to plot my own course to the hole. However I play early. I'm sure if I played later than yeah there might be better ghosts to follow. But to be clear, my rounds are said and done much earlier than 95 percent of the people here. Which I guess is the question you might be asking, Why all the waiting? personally though I still would much rather play it early than late and even if I did play late, I think it better to plot my own course to the hole. I may know the club the ghost is using but I have no idea the loft they used, and that to me is an important piece of missing information to gain that much advantage from the ghost. But I can see that's just me, so no ghost rule has no effect on me so knock yourself out. I like playing with CC, but I can just as easily not, makes really no difference to me. Dawn patrol, which I also hear has been mentioned as another concern that people are gaining an advantage watching that. I assume that will be next or a number 5 to be brought up soon. Seems to me to be better suited for #1, but I will watch with interest when this gets brought up as well. 3. I don't give a shi-t if you electrocute them, but I always proceed with an abundance of caution. You can willy nilly drop that label on anyone of your choosing hiding behind the perceived security of your computer screen. I also asked for a definition. Simple enough. I seen the interesting discussion regarding someone having more than 1 account and the advantage gained by playing the same tourney on different accounts. First thing I did was imagine the intricate detail required to play like that. All I can say to that is wow. It might be worth taking 6 hours to play a round if this were real money, but this is fake for fun. 1 Mile an hour difference in wind having a 15 foot effect, I would imagine someone doing this would need to spend a significant amount of time to gain an advantage. But I guess it's possible, but certainly easily traceable NO with the current api data. Anyone doing this would be caught in a heartbeat though. So forgive me for thinking that this is also delusional for 2 reasons. The amount of work required to make the perfect shot and most importantly the perfect putts is beyond anything I think most people would do for fake money. 2. It is so easily traceable, no one would be able to get away with this ever. The data api's collect and the timestamps I know are there, so no way that's an issue. But sure if you want to nuke people for having more than 1 account, knock yourself out. But once that net is cast, it's cast. You can come up with any BS excuse like college dorm internet, apartment condo internet, son daughter father mother all having an account, but once caught in the net, Nukem, and Nukem good and Nukem all, no excuses allowed. 1 IP 1 account, if more than 1 IP is played on an account, delete them all immediately, don't leave 1, ban the IP address and Nuke all the accounts. 4. Its not the streaming in so much as the recording that plays havoc on many machines. I can stream, quality is an eyesore though because of .05 upload. But I would be lying if I said it did not tax my machine as well. I have no hope of making top 20, to many cheaters here for that to happen. Rational enough for you? Ur still rambling I see. So u play 5 or 6 practice rnds and then call them worthless...but hey ur still having fun right? U can still do that with my IDEA! So im not seeing were ur rage is coming from. You say uv no problem wit ghosts being removed, great we hav no reason to debate the issue. U asked for a definition of cheating on TGCTours, i gave u one in an earlier reply. I also stated that i havnt once thought or knew of anyone cheating here on TGCTours. Thats obviously not the statement u wer lookin for. The API data im not conviced with, iv heard it can detect some things but not others so excuse me for not thinking of it like some god like piece of software. Iv no idea what ur rambling about IP addresses for. Im sorry u dont approve of the streaming or uploading IDEA i had for the future of TGCTours. i'll do u the service of assuming u hav been on the sauce today and ur aggression and insults are out of character. Like i said earlier u seem to have a real problem with a competition having strict policies. And finally of course uv gotten urself so wound up because i voiced IDEAS in a public forum...maybe we shud shut down the forums just incase some lunatic starts mouthing of their ideas too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 20:34:05 GMT -5
I actually like #4 if it were incorporated into a main stream event.. Like a tgct live event at a set time. Get a volunteer each week to play their rd 1 and 2 of their tournament on a Monday or Tuesday or what have you. Doesnt even need to be top xx wgr. Rotate it around if need be.
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Post by boomboom on Feb 5, 2016 20:34:32 GMT -5
Want to play the insult game, lets play. Here's another example of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
Let me be perfectly clear where the rage is coming from mister PGA/Euro Scheduler. I'm fairly certain, but was hoping not, and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt till your last insult at me, where this suggestion was coming from. I was attempting to provide an ample opportunity for a response, but all I got was dribble regarding mapping. I'm still not sure what exactly I should be mapping, what there is to map. But I could hardly ignore that it is more than convenient this suggestion hits within days of your promotion. How long in advance are you going to get to know the course, how many times will you be playing it with the inside information.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 20:38:42 GMT -5
7) If i could hole out 3 times per tourney round, it would make tgct way better (for me).
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 5, 2016 20:38:41 GMT -5
I actually like #4 if it were incorporated into a main stream event.. Like a tgct live event at a set time. Get a volunteer each week to play their rd 1 and 2 of their tournament on a Monday or Tuesday or what have you. Doesnt even need to be top xx wgr. Rotate it around if need be. Ye it wud be cool right? The reason i suggested top 10 or 20 is I reckon thats who people wud like to see the most. imagine how great it wud be if u cud get say Sweeney, Humphries & Garcia together for a 3 ball pairing for like rnd 1 & 2 of the masters....#PopcornAtTheReady
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