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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:02:40 GMT -5
I think this video is enough evidence to warrant at least looking into the Elite controllers. Its clearly said u can edit sensitivity of the thumb sticks. Yaters seems to hav an issue wit looking into ways to keep TGCTours clean. Good man. Did you watch the video? Explain to me where it shows how to create a configuration that allows me to hit straight? There is a big difference between sensitivity and limiting the variance of the axis. I don't know how else to explain it - maybe that is way over your head. Sensitivity controls how much force I need to apply to the stick to affect movement on the game. It does not control the axis that controls how much variance will occur. With any sensitivity setting, If I pull the stick back at a bad angle, my shot will be errant. Again, you have zero proof of this and continue to call for an inquisition about it. It's exhausting paranoia. Feel free not to take part in this conversation if u find it exhausting. All im saying is id like it to be investigated, thats all. No need to get OTT defensive about it.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:05:04 GMT -5
Seems ur quite the expert on how to cheat BoomBoom & also quite the conspiracy nut. Yeah I know how to cheat, so do you, and so does most other people. It's either delusional or deflection to think, suggest and pretend otherwise. But I'm not here suggesting ways to do so and not get caught in the name of making things better. that would be deflection. I have nothing to deflect. I know how people cheat as in Straight shooting & Multi accounts and stuff, ur knowledge on the subject is quite astonishing tho. Anyhow we've gone massively off topic here.
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Post by yaters on Feb 9, 2016 12:05:43 GMT -5
I just looked. 4 out of the top 5 guys in WGR are on PS4. That's really suspicious. We should ban PS4 from playing tour events as well. I don't have any proof of course, but I have real concerns here. I've heard people say the same thing, so I'm not the only one. I can't tell you who else is talking about it, but they are. This is all for the good of the TGC. I just really want to make things fair for everyone. If you are on a PS4 you shouldn't be offended though. It's just my idea that I'm going to keep promoting without proof. Brad actually plays his tournys on PC. Ur actual point is pointless. Is there something questionable about ps4 or ps4 controllers? If u have something Im all for investigating it. But of course u dont hav anything, ur just completely against the idea that this new controller could cheat the api when manipulated...bravo sir. I wasn't talking about Brad. It's why I said 4 out of 5 My point is you have no proof that the Elite controller provides any advantage. Show me proof that someone is using the settings to get an advantage. If you can do that I'll gladly concede and get behind you that the controller should be disallowed. Until then, you are just making up stories....just like my satirical post about PS4. I can wait. You won't provide any proof though.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Feb 9, 2016 12:06:08 GMT -5
I just looked. 4 out of the top 5 guys in WGR are on PS4. That's really suspicious. We should ban PS4 from playing tour events as well. I don't have any proof of course, but I have real concerns here. I've heard people say the same thing, so I'm not the only one. I can't tell you who else is talking about it, but they are. This is all for the good of the TGC. I just really want to make things fair for everyone. If you are on a PS4 you shouldn't be offended though. It's just my idea that I'm going to keep promoting without proof. Brad actually plays his tournys on PC. Ur actual point is pointless. Is there something questionable about ps4 or ps4 controllers? If u have something Im all for investigating it. But of course u dont hav anything, ur just completely against the idea that this new controller could cheat the api when manipulated...bravo sir. I think you missed the sarcasm brother.
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Post by staypuft39 on Feb 9, 2016 12:07:38 GMT -5
Did you watch the video? Â Explain to me where it shows how to create a configuration that allows me to hit straight? There is a big difference between sensitivity and limiting the variance of the axis. Â I don't know how else to explain it - maybe that is way over your head. Â Sensitivity controls how much force I need to apply to the stick to affect movement on the game. Â It does not control the axis that controls how much variance will occur. Â With any sensitivity setting, If I pull the stick back at a bad angle, my shot will be errant. Â Again, you have zero proof of this and continue to call for an inquisition about it. Â It's exhausting paranoia. Â Feel free not to take part in this conversation if u find it exhausting. All im saying is id like it to be investigated, thats all. No need to get OTT defensive about it. I was pretty sure Yaters already tested his controller with Doyley...if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by dorksirjur on Feb 9, 2016 12:08:24 GMT -5
To throw my weight in, I used d to play with max ghost balls but got out of that habit sharply. I like playing with one, normally someone I've played with and have chatted to, otherwise it feels a bit barren out there on the course.
With regards to hitting straight, I find it exceptionally easy to stay within the cone but very hard to hit it dead 100% straight regularly. The swing mechanic is fairly easy once you've got it locked down.
Like all competitive games there will be cheats, its the way it goes. See Counterstrike etc. You remove one method, another springs up in its place. Annoying and tedious yes, but hard to cut out completely and increasing scrutiny on what is essentially a tournament the majority play for a bit of fun once a week will drive quite a few away I feel.
If this got more and more serious I doubt I'd bother.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:11:31 GMT -5
Brad actually plays his tournys on PC. Ur actual point is pointless. Is there something questionable about ps4 or ps4 controllers? If u have something Im all for investigating it. But of course u dont hav anything, ur just completely against the idea that this new controller could cheat the api when manipulated...bravo sir. I wasn't talking about Brad. It's why I said 4 out of 5 My point is you have no proof that the Elite controller provides any advantage. Show me proof that someone is using the settings to get an advantage. If you can do that I'll gladly concede and get behind you that the controller should be disallowed. Until then, you are just making up stories....just like my satirical post about PS4. I can wait. You won't provide any proof though. Of course iv no proof, iv no proof that convicted cheaters cheated either, i hardly have evidence on me do I? There is however interesting parallels between the timelines of the controllers release and certain xbox players form sky rocketing, but im well aware thats not enough. Thats why i simply ask for it to be looked into...properly. That is all
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Post by yaters on Feb 9, 2016 12:11:32 GMT -5
Smurf, just read this thread again and maybe you can understand why someone would be offended.
Here is what Tim said: "Should also be able to detect XB1 elite controllers and disable them as well"
Then you agreed with that post. 100% agreed I believe. I'm saying you have no proof of that but you want to unilaterally ban it.
If you want to investigate it, be my guest. I have no issue with that. I'm 100% confident you will find nothing in the controller settings that allow you an advantage in this game.
Could someone take this controller and manipulate outside of the setting options XB provides? Of course. Could someone take a PS4 controller and manipulate outside of the settings it provides? Of course.
I hope you can see the logic there.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:12:16 GMT -5
Brad actually plays his tournys on PC. Ur actual point is pointless. Is there something questionable about ps4 or ps4 controllers? If u have something Im all for investigating it. But of course u dont hav anything, ur just completely against the idea that this new controller could cheat the api when manipulated...bravo sir. I think you missed the sarcasm brother. No mate, you have just missed my point.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:15:08 GMT -5
Smurf, just read this thread again and maybe you can understand why someone would be offended. Here is what Tim said: "Should also be able to detect XB1 elite controllers and disable them as well" Then you agreed with that post. 100% agreed I believe. I'm saying you have no proof of that but you want to unilaterally ban it. If you want to investigate it, be my guest. I have no issue with that. I'm 100% confident you will find nothing in the controller settings that allow you an advantage in this game. Could someone take this controller and manipulate outside of the setting options XB provides? Of course. Could someone take a PS4 controller and manipulate outside of the settings it provides? Of course. I hope you can see the logic there. If not, continue on your witch hunt that everyone is a cheater. Yes, i agreed that TGCT shud be able to detect the controllers and hav the ability to disable/ban them if needs be. Thats hardly accusatory. My concern is that this controller is easily able to dodge the API because its a microsoft controller, not a cheating device.
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Post by yaters on Feb 9, 2016 12:21:57 GMT -5
Smurf, just read this thread again and maybe you can understand why someone would be offended. Here is what Tim said: "Should also be able to detect XB1 elite controllers and disable them as well" Then you agreed with that post. 100% agreed I believe. I'm saying you have no proof of that but you want to unilaterally ban it. If you want to investigate it, be my guest. I have no issue with that. I'm 100% confident you will find nothing in the controller settings that allow you an advantage in this game. Could someone take this controller and manipulate outside of the setting options XB provides? Of course. Could someone take a PS4 controller and manipulate outside of the settings it provides? Of course. I hope you can see the logic there. If not, continue on your witch hunt that everyone is a cheater. Yes, i agreed that TGCT shud be able to detect the controllers and hav the ability to disable/ban them if needs be. Thats hardly accusatory. My concern is that this controller is easily able to dodge the API because its a microsoft controller, not a cheating device. Ok, I understand. I certainly didn't read that approach when you first stated it. I read that you agreed they should be banned, since that is what Tim suggested. I have no idea if a controller can dodge the API - Doyley would have to respond to that. I gave him API data and use the controller each week, so he certainly has enough data to know if something is fishy. Talk to Doyley about it. I've provided all the info I can.
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Post by unclefester75 on Feb 9, 2016 12:23:16 GMT -5
The ghost would serve no purpose if zoom was disabled. What? What purpose does it serve now? If ur depending on ghosts to be able to compete maybe we can ask for an update where the ghosts can take ur shots for you, lol I hear ya! I might as well let them hit my shots! LOL But seriously, i'm still trying to figure out the motive for ghost removal. I don't understand this crusade against players using ghosts.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:25:00 GMT -5
Yes, i agreed that TGCT shud be able to detect the controllers and hav the ability to disable/ban them if needs be. Thats hardly accusatory. My concern is that this controller is easily able to dodge the API because its a microsoft controller, not a cheating device. Ok, I understand. I certainly didn't read that approach when you first stated it. I read that you agreed they should be banned, since that is what Tim suggested. I have no idea if a controller can dodge the API - Doyley would have to respond to that. I gave him API data and use the controller each week, so he certainly has enough data to know if something is fishy. Talk to Doyley about it. I've provided all the info I can. Ye i know u did mate....tbh its gettin a bit blown outta proportion in here. If were not vigilant on these things it will end up a free for all like RM golf. I jus want the playin of the game/tournys to be the same for everyone...like iv said before there is 0 ppl i hav accused or even suspect of cheating...
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Post by smurfblade88 on Feb 9, 2016 12:26:51 GMT -5
What? What purpose does it serve now? If ur depending on ghosts to be able to compete maybe we can ask for an update where the ghosts can take ur shots for you, lol I hear ya! I might as well let them hit my shots! LOL But seriously, i'm still trying to figure out the motive for ghost removal. I don't understand this crusade against players using ghosts. Tbh mate i think its a pro tour player annoyance....its hyper competitive on the pro tours and nobody wants other players gettin info from the gud shots of ghost balls. Which is fair enough in my opinion.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 9, 2016 12:40:01 GMT -5
I hear ya! I might as well let them hit my shots! LOL But seriously, i'm still trying to figure out the motive for ghost removal. I don't understand this crusade against players using ghosts. Tbh mate i think its a pro tour player annoyance....its hyper competitive on the pro tours and nobody wants other players gettin info from the gud shots of ghost balls. Which is fair enough in my opinion. I actually used your ghost balls my opening 2 rounds
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