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Post by Mark (Kram) on Feb 3, 2016 19:50:19 GMT -5
Up until two weeks ago I used the 'feel' approach to playing this game, I was OK at downhill putts and putts which went left to right, however, uphill putts and putts that went left always confused me. Feeling exasperated with this part of my game, I read the putting thread in The Driving Range, the difference is like night vs day. I have noticed a dramatic improvement to my putting performance, I'm far more consistent, and I'm making more 20-30ft putts than I have before. Except at Tarantula I had a top 5 last week on the PGA and am hoping for a Top 10 this week too.
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Post by champ39 on Feb 3, 2016 22:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by Lowenberger on Feb 3, 2016 23:05:40 GMT -5
I've found on downhill putts with the max speed greens that you don't even need to go that far. Especially with putts that are substantially downhill, I take all, if not more, of that slope and subtract it from my marker. For example, if I have 13 foot putt at Magnolia that's 6 inches downhill, I'm probably going 5 or 6 feet with my marker so I don't blow it by. It's less of a problem with a putt that's only a few inches downhill over 20+ feet. Then I basically just play it at the hole. Yup I do the same, especially if the down slope extends a ways past the hole
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Post by Morgan-esque on Feb 4, 2016 3:25:02 GMT -5
I don't touch the marker and do ok for myself. I'm pretty good at the difficult sideways putts so for me it's just all about experience and visualising the putt before you hit it. I already know how hard I'm going to hit it so it's just about getting the line right. Thanks for the response Morgan-esque. You must be the highest ranked player to not use the putting marker. And you're virtually guaranteed a top 5 at the on this week's PGA! The way you describe putting is exactly the way I go about it. The reason I made this thread is to try and pinpoint a possible way in which I can close the gap between myself and the elite of this game. You're not a top 50 player yet by WGR but you should be within a few months the way you've been playing recently. Have you ever considered learning the putting marker? Funny you ask that as it has crossed by mind over the past month or so when my results weren't too good and I was thinking of ways to improve. The problem is I think it'd take a lot of practice to figure it out and I've not got the time or patience to spend hours on this, even though Doyley has already provided a theory being it to give a head start. I think I've played the game enough that I just have a good feel of how hard to hit putts regardless of the situation. I would say that the only times it is off is the severe downhill putts. But then I think that the problem was hitting the ball there in the first place and I just have to deal with the consequences and be satisfied with a 2-putt. I'm currently gunning for a Top 50 spot in the WGR so once I get there I may take a look at this but until then, I don't want to get caught between two completely different methods of putting.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 4, 2016 18:11:33 GMT -5
Thank you for all your responses. Here's an interesting statistic based off responses so far: 26% of the top 50 responded 8% of the top 51-200 responded 4% of the top 201-500 responded 1.2% of the top 501-1000 responded Less than 0.1% of those ranked 1001 and up responded So apparently the more active you are to this forum, the better you are. After reading another thread where Doyley talked about the game giving you an assist if you use the putting marker, I was sort of in disbelief. I went to try it out and it seems that I'm able to get within 2 feet of the hole way more often than without it. I'll keep experimenting with it tonight, but I'm pretty impressed with what I've seen so far. I had no idea that the placement of this putting marker actually affects the way that your swing's power is calculated. Not sure if I like that fact or not (feels so unnatural), but I will certainly use it to my advantage.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 4, 2016 18:14:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Morgan-esque. You must be the highest ranked player to not use the putting marker. And you're virtually guaranteed a top 5 at the on this week's PGA! The way you describe putting is exactly the way I go about it. The reason I made this thread is to try and pinpoint a possible way in which I can close the gap between myself and the elite of this game. You're not a top 50 player yet by WGR but you should be within a few months the way you've been playing recently. Have you ever considered learning the putting marker? Funny you ask that as it has crossed by mind over the past month or so when my results weren't too good and I was thinking of ways to improve. The problem is I think it'd take a lot of practice to figure it out and I've not got the time or patience to spend hours on this, even though Doyley has already provided a theory being it to give a head start. I think I've played the game enough that I just have a good feel of how hard to hit putts regardless of the situation. I would say that the only times it is off is the severe downhill putts. But then I think that the problem was hitting the ball there in the first place and I just have to deal with the consequences and be satisfied with a 2-putt. I'm currently gunning for a Top 50 spot in the WGR so once I get there I may take a look at this but until then, I don't want to get caught between two completely different methods of putting. Apparently, downhill markers will allow you to limit your ball's tendency to fly down 30 feet past the hole on a severe putting decline on fast greens.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 4, 2016 21:55:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Morgan-esque. You must be the highest ranked player to not use the putting marker. And you're virtually guaranteed a top 5 at the on this week's PGA! The way you describe putting is exactly the way I go about it. The reason I made this thread is to try and pinpoint a possible way in which I can close the gap between myself and the elite of this game. You're not a top 50 player yet by WGR but you should be within a few months the way you've been playing recently. Have you ever considered learning the putting marker? Funny you ask that as it has crossed by mind over the past month or so when my results weren't too good and I was thinking of ways to improve. The problem is I think it'd take a lot of practice to figure it out and I've not got the time or patience to spend hours on this, even though Doyley has already provided a theory being it to give a head start. I think I've played the game enough that I just have a good feel of how hard to hit putts regardless of the situation. I would say that the only times it is off is the severe downhill putts. But then I think that the problem was hitting the ball there in the first place and I just have to deal with the consequences and be satisfied with a 2-putt. I'm currently gunning for a Top 50 spot in the WGR so once I get there I may take a look at this but until then, I don't want to get caught between two completely different methods of putting. The system works against you on downhillers if you dont move the marker. For slight downhillers it will "snap" to a faster speed even if your power is perfect. On severe downhillers down a tier or so it won't let you "tap" it over the edge. So it's not like it is "neutral" at worst. It will actually actively hurt you. Actually the way HB implemented it is very close to best practice real world putting routines. All about defining the target and then letting the subconcious decide power. A correct and well defined target increases your chance to sink the putt IRL, and it does in game as well.
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Post by Jared on Feb 4, 2016 21:56:59 GMT -5
Just fyi for anybody who never found the putting thread on HB's forum.
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Post by kireishoujo on Feb 4, 2016 22:02:09 GMT -5
I've never touched it.
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 4, 2016 22:03:21 GMT -5
Just fyi for anybody who never found the putting thread on HB's forum. Straight from an employees' mouth. Awesome.
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Post by Morgan-esque on Feb 5, 2016 1:44:05 GMT -5
Funny you ask that as it has crossed by mind over the past month or so when my results weren't too good and I was thinking of ways to improve. The problem is I think it'd take a lot of practice to figure it out and I've not got the time or patience to spend hours on this, even though Doyley has already provided a theory being it to give a head start. I think I've played the game enough that I just have a good feel of how hard to hit putts regardless of the situation. I would say that the only times it is off is the severe downhill putts. But then I think that the problem was hitting the ball there in the first place and I just have to deal with the consequences and be satisfied with a 2-putt. I'm currently gunning for a Top 50 spot in the WGR so once I get there I may take a look at this but until then, I don't want to get caught between two completely different methods of putting. The system works against you on downhillers if you dont move the marker. For slight downhillers it will "snap" to a faster speed even if your power is perfect. On severe downhillers down a tier or so it won't let you "tap" it over the edge. So it's not like it is "neutral" at worst. It will actually actively hurt you. Actually the way HB implemented it is very close to best practice real world putting routines. All about defining the target and then letting the subconcious decide power. A correct and well defined target increases your chance to sink the putt IRL, and it does in game as well. Yeah, after last night I think it's time to look into this...
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Post by yaters on Feb 5, 2016 2:06:43 GMT -5
I always use it and I think it helps keep puts from coming up way short or running too far past the hole. In other words it helps with distance control, but not break...for me anyhow. Making them is another issue altogether. I handle it the same way each time. Uphill: Divide slope by 2 and add to original slope. Add that to the distance from the hole and then add 2, to get the putt past the hole. Place the marker at that distance. Ex: 28 foot putt +10 uphill. 10/2=5+10=15+28=43+2=45. Marker placed at 45 feet and hit a 45 foot putt. Downhill: I'm looking for 2 ft past the hole. So if it's a 20 foot putt and -12 slope I subtract 10 (12-2) from 20 and hit a 10 foot putt, still accounting for a bit of slope on that 10 footer. Just be careful because this doesn't guarantee anything...it can run by sometime no matter what you do with the marker. Anyhow, that's how I do it and my lag putting is pretty solid. But it also helps to get used to hitting 4-6 foot putts. I just need to make more of the side hill breakers. Oh, and play better overall. Good grief. I've not heard any of this perspective/technique. That math makes my head hurt a bit first reading it. Someone sent me a message a bit ago because I was (once again) complaining about my putting being so bad. I thought I understood but not even close. So I appreciate you laying it out like this. I've always just gone by instinct and feel. And that probably explains why I'm so streaky with putting. Had a round last night where I couldn't miss a thing. I played a match-play event tonight and couldn't make anything. Gives me something to practice and work on. I feel like it is going to really slow me down when I play for quite awhile, but maybe that's a good thing. It is certainly humbling to have the lightbulb moment where you realize you aren't playing the game the way others that have more success do. I know this information has been accessible, but huge slap in the head to figure out why I'm such an inconsistent player. Phew....lot of work to do.
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Post by yaters on Feb 5, 2016 2:08:43 GMT -5
Up until two weeks ago I used the 'feel' approach to playing this game, I was OK at downhill putts and putts which went left to right, however, uphill putts and putts that went left always confused me. Feeling exasperated with this part of my game, I read the putting thread in The Driving Range, the difference is like night vs day. I have noticed a dramatic improvement to my putting performance, I'm far more consistent, and I'm making more 20-30ft putts than I have before. Except at Tarantula I had a top 5 last week on the PGA and am hoping for a Top 10 this week too. Yeah Kram, was just searching through my messages to read it again. Now I get it....really appreciate you taking time to explain things. It just didn't click the first time!
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Post by canthitstraight on Feb 5, 2016 2:08:45 GMT -5
I always use it and I think it helps keep puts from coming up way short or running too far past the hole. In other words it helps with distance control, but not break...for me anyhow. Making them is another issue altogether. I handle it the same way each time. Uphill: Divide slope by 2 and add to original slope. Add that to the distance from the hole and then add 2, to get the putt past the hole. Place the marker at that distance. Ex: 28 foot putt +10 uphill. 10/2=5+10=15+28=43+2=45. Marker placed at 45 feet and hit a 45 foot putt. Downhill: I'm looking for 2 ft past the hole. So if it's a 20 foot putt and -12 slope I subtract 10 (12-2) from 20 and hit a 10 foot putt, still accounting for a bit of slope on that 10 footer. Just be careful because this doesn't guarantee anything...it can run by sometime no matter what you do with the marker. Anyhow, that's how I do it and my lag putting is pretty solid. But it also helps to get used to hitting 4-6 foot putts. I just need to make more of the side hill breakers. Oh, and play better overall. Good grief. I've not heard any of this perspective/technique. That math makes my head hurt a bit first reading it. Someone sent me a message a bit ago because I was (once again) complaining about my putting being so bad. I thought I understood but not even close. So I appreciate you laying it out like this. I've always just gone by instinct and feel. And that probably explains why I'm so streaky with putting. Had a round last night where I couldn't miss a thing. I played a match-play event tonight and couldn't make anything. Gives me something to practice and work on. I feel like it is going to really slow me down when I play for quite awhile, but maybe that's a good thing. It is certainly humbling to have the lightbulb moment where you realize you aren't playing the game the way others that have more success do. I know this information has been accessible, but huge slap in the head to figure out why I'm such an inconsistent player. Phew....lot of work to do. And you'll get worse before you get better. Keep at it though! (that's what i keep telling myself) I'm starting to sink putts that I know there's no way I would have without the putter. But these holes are counterbalanced by others when I screw it up and end up worse than I would have been without the marker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 2:12:20 GMT -5
Good grief. I've not heard any of this perspective/technique. That math makes my head hurt a bit first reading it. Someone sent me a message a bit ago because I was (once again) complaining about my putting being so bad. I thought I understood but not even close. So I appreciate you laying it out like this. I've always just gone by instinct and feel. And that probably explains why I'm so streaky with putting. Had a round last night where I couldn't miss a thing. I played a match-play event tonight and couldn't make anything. Gives me something to practice and work on. I feel like it is going to really slow me down when I play for quite awhile, but maybe that's a good thing. It is certainly humbling to have the lightbulb moment where you realize you aren't playing the game the way others that have more success do. I know this information has been accessible, but huge slap in the head to figure out why I'm such an inconsistent player. Phew....lot of work to do. And you'll get worse before you get better. Keep at it though! (that's what i keep telling myself) I'm starting to sink putts that I know there's no way I would have without the putter. But these holes are counterbalanced by others when I screw it up and end up worse than I would have been without the marker. Damn green chippers.
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