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Post by captaincarrot on Jan 27, 2016 17:51:56 GMT -5
... Because being pushed back into CC-D certainly feels like a penalty for a good performance. I am a solid CC-E golfer. Hence I am currently 74th in CC-D after the first two rounds and ready to quit again. I dont expect to win or even top 10 every week in CC-E, but given I struggle to break top 50 in CC-D I dont see why I have to be forced up there on a sponsor's exemption.
My first round was -3. Should have been good enough for the top half at least, but in D that is merely below average. Demoralized, I go out and shoot 80. Now I'm 4th from the bottom, the week after finishing 2 shots off the lead and getting a big confidence boost.
The game is supposed to be fun. Playing to the best of your ability and KNOWING you won't be able to crack the top half of the board is not. Why can we not refuse a sponsor's exemption and stay where we are competitive? I just don't see the point in moving between divisions so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 18:06:02 GMT -5
Get better and then you won't be so low in CC-D.
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Post by mozzalini on Jan 27, 2016 18:12:02 GMT -5
This reminds me of the moaners in RWG who don't like it when their handicap gets cut. Your handicap should not reflect your average score, it should reflect what you could achieve on your best day. Moving up tours on TGCT should be the same - it should push you to improve until you can be competitive on CC-D. Then push you up again. I'm currently struggling on the Euro tour, barely making 50% of the cuts, but that's where I should be, because previous results have put me there. See it as a challenge and adjust your targets accordingly. My aim each week is to make the cut, and when my consistency improves, I'll aim for top 50, then top 40 and so on. I may not get there but I'll keep trying.
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Post by Lowenberger on Jan 27, 2016 18:13:35 GMT -5
... Because being pushed back into CC-D certainly feels like a penalty for a good performance. I am a solid CC-E golfer. Hence I am currently 74th in CC-D after the first two rounds and ready to quit again. I dont expect to win or even top 10 every week in CC-E, but given I struggle to break top 50 in CC-D I dont see why I have to be forced up there on a sponsor's exemption. My first round was -3. Should have been good enough for the top half at least, but in D that is merely below average. Demoralized, I go out and shoot 80. Now I'm 4th from the bottom, the week after finishing 2 shots off the lead and getting a big confidence boost. The game is supposed to be fun. Playing to the best of your ability and KNOWING you won't be able to crack the top half of the board is not. Why can we not refuse a sponsor's exemption and stay where we are competitive? I just don't see the point in moving between divisions so much. To your last point - if exemptions aren't mandatory then certain people will never take them because they want to remain in lower divisions that they don't belong in just so they can keep "winning".
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Post by bruce on Jan 28, 2016 9:40:24 GMT -5
How about being in a division just to stay competitive, never mind winning. I don't have a snowballs chance in hell to win in CC-B, not even competitive at all. Yet you say get better. What happens If thats as good as I'm going to get, or anyone for that matter. I think a chance of even getting a top ten would be a nice thing to shoot for, but many here don't even have a chance to do that. This is what handicaps were made for in the first place to give someone who doesn't play as well a chance against a better player. But we don't use those here, which is fine so you should get placed in a division or tour where you are competitive. Looking through the different tours that wouldn't happen for me until I reached at least into CC-D which is two below where I am now. I really don't think thats asking for the world, maybe I'm wrong but many players must be getting frustrated by this. We'll have to see If the new changes affect this at all.
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Post by tastegw on Jan 28, 2016 9:55:31 GMT -5
Id rather get my ass handed to me by the best of the best verses beating up on the kindergarteners
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jan 28, 2016 9:57:05 GMT -5
So what you guys complaining are really saying is, "I want to be in a Tour where I can always finish Top Ten so I can feel good about myself." If you are consistently competitive in CC D and get Top 5's, you need to move up. If that means you are now grinding in CC-C to get better and be competitive, well then that is what it is.
The fact of the matter is, in every CC level and Pro level, there will always be a top half and a bottom half. That's how it works in competition. They have to fill the different levels as evenly as possible. If everyone picked their level they wanted to play in because they could win there, you would be complaining about that too because you would probably still be in the bottom half.
The way I see it you have three options, accept that you are a bottom half player and enjoy the game, strive to get better and enjoy the game, or quit playing (or just play TGC for fun).
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jan 28, 2016 10:25:08 GMT -5
Id rather get my ass handed to me by the best of the best verses beating up on the kindergarteners My ass has been sore for over a year now...
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Post by marino313131 on Jan 28, 2016 10:33:21 GMT -5
The Wambulance is running low on gas so suck it up and walk home bcs it's only a flesh wound
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Post by ErixonStone on Jan 28, 2016 10:51:12 GMT -5
There's a step up as you go up in flights, BUT...
You finished with a 69 (-3) in the first round which is a pretty good score. A repeat of that round would have you sitting nicely in 36th at 6-under. It looks like you struggled with your approaches in round two, and then struggled off the tee on the back nine after your round started to go off the rails a little bit. Was the wind stronger in round two? If so, then you know what you need to work on.
Each week, focus on improving one facet of your game. You'll see strokes dropping off your scores. Two to three strokes per round is 10 strokes over 4 rounds. Let's say you handle crosswind better for 2 strokes per round. Then improve headwind/tailwind for one stroke. Then you improve chipping for 1 stroke per round. Then work on putting for one stroke. Then work on sidehill lies for one more stroke. Suddenly, you're looking at 6 stroke improvement per round - 24 strokes over the course of four rounds. Your current +5 after 2 rounds becomes -7 and puts you in the hunt for a top 25 finish, and that's with a bad round out of two.
As you move up in flights, you'll find that the gap in quality play is not as large. Top CC-D players will compete for top 25s and top 10s on CC-C. Once a player has made the improvements, it's been known that they can rocket up the flights and find their way to CC-A and Web.com tours.
Don't get discouraged by a bad round. Excelling as a higher flight is much more rewarding than winning against a weakening field.
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Post by bruce on Jan 28, 2016 12:44:12 GMT -5
I don't think thats why the different tours were set up in the first place, otherwise just have one tour and everyone falls where they may. If you play better thats great, then you deserve what you get. But same as any sport some are better and some aren't. I looked at the scores in the different tours and CC-B and CC-B are pretty similar. CC-C and CC-D drop down a little bit and by CC-Z even the leaders are up around par. This was all supposedly setup in Q-School where we were all placed accordingly. Believe it or not I was in the PGA Tour, where I didn't last because I wasn't competitive there. According to some we should all just be happy where we are and thats it. Well If that were the case then just throw us all together in one big tour and we'll do the best we can and place where we will. But its not setup that way for a reason. I believe this is why there making changes right now, because maybe someone realized it wasn't setup the best way. Somebody has to b%&, and sometime it actually does some good.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jan 28, 2016 12:54:50 GMT -5
Bruce, your argument is not what the OP said. He said that even though he placed 4th in a CC-D event, it was unfair that he was auto exempted to CC-C because he didn't do well and would have rather stayed in CC-D where he could be "competitive," which to me means top of the leaderboard.
That is silly. The CC level is a developmental tour that is meant to serve as a progression to higher levels as your skills progress. If everyone got to pick which CC level they want to be in just because they thought they could win there, it wouldn't work (obviously).
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Post by misternic on Jan 28, 2016 13:02:12 GMT -5
if you really struggle on CC-D for 3 weeks, you go back to E. I have finished in the 100's in two of the last 3 weeks. I also have two top 10's. One week does not tell a story.
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Post by anquila1978 on Jan 28, 2016 13:59:45 GMT -5
Would it help if you buddied up with a player in a higher tour on your chosen platform?
It's not always easy to get 'better' by yourself.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Jan 28, 2016 14:29:16 GMT -5
I'm exactly the opposite. When the new format of auto-promotions for a win in CC came out last week..I was quick to request my promotion from CC-D to CC-C. I was finishing routinely in the top 20 to top 15 in CC-D but I want to push myself to score more consistent and post better scores. The easy way out is to stay in the lower division and keep racking up top 10's. You have to push yourself to succeed in this game.
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