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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 14:30:17 GMT -5
I'm trying to build my new course to give you folks more of a challenge than the current courses where you shoot -1945287 under par in 4 rounds.
So, I'm going to just ask:
What makes a course difficult for you? If someone was designing a course to try and give you a challenge, what kinds of things would require you to step up your game?
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Post by Morgan-esque on Nov 20, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -5
I'd say firm and fast greens but accessible pins
Narrow fairways.
Sloped fairways makes shots to the pins more difficult to judge how far left or right it will go.
Greens where if you go 5 yards off the pin you're down a big slope.
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Post by hammo24983 on Nov 20, 2015 15:15:32 GMT -5
As driving the ball straight is far easier in this game compared to real life, the fways need to be more narrow then real life.
It's the same as putting. It's simply way easier to hole putts here then in real life so the pins need to be tougher and the greens need decent slopes on them.
It's a fine line between being tough, and so tough that it's just not enjoyable. However I would certainly welcome a course every 4-5 weeks where breaking par is a great achievement
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Post by Jared on Nov 20, 2015 15:19:50 GMT -5
Definitely need to go with firm and fast greens. Greens don't need to be small, but execution of a wrong shot that stays on the green should almost always end up with a very unlikely putt for birdie. You can do this without having to resort to "I'm going to put a massive slope right by the hole, so if you miss it it's going to go 15' away for your par" Elevation changes are good for keeping scores down in my opinion, but only if winds are up. Calm winds and most courses will get destroyed. Soft greens and most courses will also get destroyed. Honestly, if you want to limit scoring, firm/fast greens with collection area run-offs/water close to the pin and rough/steep bunkers away from the pin (at least 8 yds) would be a good way to do it. Unfortunately with how easy chipping is in this game, putting rough next to the pin is hardly a deterrent for going at the flag unless the flag is on a downslope with firm and fast greens. Forcing a 25+ ft side-hill putt is a much more effective way to limit birdies. Hardly good design in my opinion, but that's something you can do to limit the scores. That being said, if there is no good shot in the world (minus an Ian Sweeney bounce or two, or a slam dunk right into the hole) that can lead to birdie, it's probably not a good location. Also, I hate accounting for slopes in fairways because I'm terrible at it. That is also a good way to make scores lower. Can't wait for the course to have 180+ yd approaches into all holes with false fronts, massive run offs, front flags, and firm and fast greens. Think the cut would go down to -5 in that case? You can't forget about that 10 yd circle crowned island green from 150 yds out. You need a birdie hole somewhere, right?
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Post by smurfblade88 on Nov 20, 2015 15:57:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to build my new course to give you folks more of a challenge than the current courses where you shoot -1945287 under par in 4 rounds. So, I'm going to just ask: What makes a course difficult for you? If someone was designing a course to try and give you a challenge, what kinds of things would require you to step up your game? Jason hav a look at Yeltzmans Royal Lytham & St Annes 2015....that to me is the best "difficult" course in the game.....Fast, Firm & Fair. Sent from my GT-I8730 using Tapatalk
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 20, 2015 16:25:58 GMT -5
If you are going to go firm and fast with the greens, the point about making them accessible is important. If not, then it's just s trick up.
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Post by jtcurrent on Nov 20, 2015 18:21:56 GMT -5
I agree with these guys. Tighter, sloping fairways. Firm, fast greens...and bigger, leaving longer putts. Collection areas around greens for shots that miss. And just like real life, if we are playing long irons to big, firm, fast greens off sloped fairways we'LL need to make 30 foot putts for bird as opposed to 10 footers.
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Post by bassman70 on Nov 20, 2015 18:35:33 GMT -5
I think everyone has made good points. I think the way you make the game fair, BUT tough is having longer putts for birdies. If you hit a perfect approach shot to a par 4, you shouldn't ALWAYS have a 5-10 foot putt for birdie. I watch the pros on TV and there isn't one of them hitting perfect shots and always having a little tap in birdie. A lot of the time a GREAT shot is something around the 10-15 foot range. Some holes on the PGA are just meant to be parred and not birdied. As soon as we can accept that in our community, the better and more rewarding it's going to be to shoot -5 or -7. I gotta tell you, I expect to shoot -10 on every course I play now, and I do for the most part. The last couple weeks I've shot a -18, -15, -14 on a variety of courses. So, I think you make a tough, BUT fair course, where it's difficult to score -6 or so maybe -9 is a SUPER score. Put bunkers in front of pins, lots of heavy rough to penalize poor shots and that includes around the greens. I think if you land a shot perfectly and it rolls about 10-15 feet past the cup, that's fine for me. Just make sure the putting is fair. If guys want to play an easy course, we have those, or you can play EA's game...so easy to shoot -18 or better. I don't know of that really answered the question or not. I guess I gave a couple ideas. I guess the reality is, it's avideo game and you can only make it so tough before it becomes tricky.
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Post by splittailace on Nov 21, 2015 1:51:08 GMT -5
Greens. Pin placements. Any approach into a green that is a 6000 on the stimp meter. I have trouble with hitting a 56 degree wedge into a green and it rolls out 37 yards. But what do I know..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 4:51:15 GMT -5
It's all relative. If you have firm conditions and you have a fairway that runs uphill into a green that slopes front to back then you don't want a long approach shot in. The only clubs holding that approach will be wedges. However, if your fairway runs downhill into the green then it will allow longer approaches in as the golfer can run the approach shot through the fairway. Will make it a hard shot indeed, but at least it will be fair.
Same with bunkering, only put one at the front of the green forcing a forced carry if it's a short approach in. A good way to have a bunker protecting the front of green is to move it 20/30 yards back into the fairway so the golfer will have room to run it up still but he has to flirt with the bunker and land it just past it to do so. All good links courses have this kind of bunker.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 23:41:04 GMT -5
Thanks to an abscessed tooth that's kept me up most of the last week, I finished the course with all of you in mind. I know you'll all probably destroy it, but if I can get you shooting 64-65 when you normally shoot 59-60, I'll consider it a win. It's called Bono Run.
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