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Post by Timbr0_T on Nov 21, 2015 13:57:10 GMT -5
Knew I needed a decent 4th round to come out on top and after 3 bogeys I wasn't sure it would happen. Flopped in for eagle on 17 and holed a tough putt on 18 for another eagle for a 64. I will take that on that difficult 4th round! I just checked your scorecard. Eagles on the final 2 holes is amazing, super tournament and congrats on the win! Does this mean we're getting promoted?
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Post by Doe Coba on Nov 21, 2015 13:58:12 GMT -5
Knew I needed a decent 4th round to come out on top and after 3 bogeys I wasn't sure it would happen. Flopped in for eagle on 17 and holed a tough putt on 18 for another eagle for a 64. I will take that on that difficult 4th round! An early congratulations on your win this week! I looked at your last two holes on the fourth round with disbelief... eagle-eagle! Well done! Yes, brilliant finish to take a two shot lead and nice tournament. Good luck on being at the top when tournament closes.
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Post by bearfan3417 on Nov 21, 2015 14:09:33 GMT -5
Knew I needed a decent 4th round to come out on top and after 3 bogeys I wasn't sure it would happen. Flopped in for eagle on 17 and holed a tough putt on 18 for another eagle for a 64. I will take that on that difficult 4th round! I just checked your scorecard. Eagles on the final 2 holes is amazing, super tournament and congrats on the win! Does this mean we're getting promoted? Not sure if it winner or top 5 that gets a exemption but I hope we both get a shot!
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Post by canthitstraight on Nov 21, 2015 14:39:49 GMT -5
I just checked your scorecard. Eagles on the final 2 holes is amazing, super tournament and congrats on the win! Does this mean we're getting promoted? Not sure if it winner or top 5 that gets a exemption but I hope we both get a shot! Top 5 (plus ties) get exemption. It used to be top exemption player in PGA/Euro gets the promotion but I think the rule has been changed as of early this season of anyone who makes cut makes it in.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Nov 21, 2015 15:55:14 GMT -5
This is a bit offensive and shortsighted of you. I remember a few of these type of comments when I won the season 1 CC championship. I've cracked the top 10 in web.com once this season. You're saying that you automatically assumed I've been straight edging / cheating because I actually grinded my way to a top 10 one time this season? [br You would have to change your name to canhititstraightallthetime haha HitsItleftoncearound would be my suggestion haha
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Post by bigtallchris on Nov 23, 2015 15:02:08 GMT -5
Yeah maybe losing his card and starting over would have been better but he'd probably just have been back in web again anyway after q-school. I see making the cut on the top tour as a bigger achievement than winning on the web for sure. Especially the higher up you go. A top 25 is massive on the top tours. The punishment wasn't fair on the webbers the 2 lads that finished second 2 weeks in a row should have a nice trophy as they deserved it but they get nothing! Personally he should of been left were he was and given stroke penalties for an amount of time 3/6months. That's been light if it was me it would of been expulsion. It's a game to be enjoyed cheating should not be tolerated ! This totally screwed a bunch of web.com players! I'm sorry, but I can't just "let this go". There's already been mention of the 2nd place guys that got screwed out of a tourney trophy and a bunch more in prize money, and the 6th placers who got screwed out of an exemption. But here's the one that really chaps my hide... what about the guys in "Mandela Memorial" tourney at Persimmon that missed the cut by one stroke. Looking at the final leaderboard, exactly 70 people made the cut, including this "punished cheater." That means that 10 players (including myself) got screwed out of making the cut, having our last rounds count and be posted, and making a bit of "cash". We probably also had our WGR's drop in the process, instead of a bit of a rise with making the cut. That was the only tourney that he participated in that I saw the cut line right at 70 players, so it shouldn't have affected cut lines in other tourneys. But what it did affect in other tourneys was the cash amount paid to players at his spot in the leaderboard and below. Basically, they all got a little bit less in cash, because this "punished cheater" diluted the earnings. I know this is all a game and fun, and the admins are spending their free time to keep things going on this site. But in my opinion, every Web.com tourney that this "punished cheater" played in should have him removed and have the leaderboards adjusted. This would include: -stripping the "punished cheater" of all his Web.com trophies this year and given to the true winners. -giving retroactive exemptions to those that should've gotten one. -having all cash prizes recalculated to not include the "punished cheater". -moving any players affected by a bogus cut line (Mandela Memorial tournament) up above the cut, with full 4-round scores (if they posted scores for all 4 rounds) and prize money re-distributed. -having WGR's recalculated using the new final leaderboards after removing the "punished cheater" To me, it's the Web.com players that actually got "punished" from top (2nd placers and 6th placers) to bottom (cut-line players).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 16:22:13 GMT -5
I think you have mid-understood. He didn't cheat during the web tournament. He cheated last season and got relegated as a result of this so he had to work his way back up. He missed his first cut on the web but then proceeded to play better and win thus earning his way back up.
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Post by bigtallchris on Nov 23, 2015 16:39:05 GMT -5
I think you have mid-understood. He didn't cheat during the web tournament. He cheated last season and got relegated as a result of this so he had to work his way back up. He missed his first cut on the web but then proceeded to play better and win thus earning his way back up. I understood just fine! He cheated last season and got "punished" by being demoted to the Web.com tour. So actually, it's the Web.com tour players who lost out on either a tourney win, an exemption, a made cut, or extra "cash" that truly got punished. There's really nothing to misunderstand. Many Web players got "punished" and robbed of accolades, because he was placed in their tour. He should've been made to go through Q-school again, at the very least.
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Post by dorksirjur on Nov 23, 2015 16:43:55 GMT -5
I don't feel "punished", tbh. Most don't seem bothered.
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Post by Lowenberger on Nov 23, 2015 20:15:00 GMT -5
I think you have mid-understood. He didn't cheat during the web tournament. He cheated last season and got relegated as a result of this so he had to work his way back up. He missed his first cut on the web but then proceeded to play better and win thus earning his way back up. I understood just fine! He cheated last season and got "punished" by being demoted to the Web.com tour. So actually, it's the Web.com tour players who lost out on either a tourney win, an exemption, a made cut, or extra "cash" that truly got punished. There's really nothing to misunderstand. Many Web players got "punished" and robbed of accolades, because he was placed in their tour. He should've been made to go through Q-school again, at the very least. Its unfortunate for sure for the Web players that might have adversely affected, but I don't think there is really all that much that can be done now. I would agree that going back to Q-school would have been a better option than falling to web, but the league can't really change the rules going backwards (never mind the logistical work it would take even if they wanted to).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 20:21:14 GMT -5
Sorry have to disagree with you there a missed cut and two wins on a lower level is not much of a punishment for cheating I'm afraid. Not agreeing or disagreeing, just pointing out what happened here... he was suspended for the remainder of season one. that entails being put on the inactive list. All PGA and Euro players on the inactive list at the end of season one were demoted to web.com. There are over 100 such players on web right now. He just chose to play again right away. Most of the rest probably are gone on to other games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 20:34:09 GMT -5
Also, last season on web, I finished t2 and solo 2nd in two tournaments. It was later revealed that the winner and other names in tese tournament were, in fact, one person using multiple names. They were suspended for the rest of season one.
I was retroactively given the win in those two tournaments, and in time was given a trophy for them. But it was not feasible for them to go back and change the $$$ awarded and change the WGR points I would have earned.
Crap happens and it sucks because it is because of people who want to cheat. I do wish the punishments were different, but . its not up to mem. All I could do is move on and play my game.
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Post by bigtallchris on Nov 23, 2015 20:46:07 GMT -5
I understood just fine! He cheated last season and got "punished" by being demoted to the Web.com tour. So actually, it's the Web.com tour players who lost out on either a tourney win, an exemption, a made cut, or extra "cash" that truly got punished. There's really nothing to misunderstand. Many Web players got "punished" and robbed of accolades, because he was placed in their tour. He should've been made to go through Q-school again, at the very least. Its unfortunate for sure for the Web players that might have adversely affected, but I don't think there is really all that much that can be done now. I would agree that going back to Q-school would have been a better option than falling to web, but the league can't really change the rules going backwards (never mind the logistical work it would take even if they wanted to).
I'm not expecting or really asking anything to be retroactively changed - except to have his Web trophies taken away and given to the Web players that should've gotten them. I mainly just wanted to point out how horrible of a "punishment" this was...which in fact, only really ended up punishing "law-abiding" Web players that always play fair and had nothing at all to do with the whole situation. In other words, if something like this happens again, send them back to Q-school (at the very least - if not ban them outright). Non-cheating players in lower tours should not be negatively affected by a higher-tour cheater being placed in their tournaments.
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