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Post by mnguy12000 on Oct 27, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -5
I just am not getting why people are taking issue with the green slopes/speed design. It was perfectly difficult and rewarded good approaches and good putting. There were no holes cut on severe slopes. The issue may be that not many of you have played on greens this fast where you have to aim 2-3 grid squares out to hit a 15-20 ft. putt. Chalk it up as experience but don't blast the design. It is not at all different from real world professional course greens (heck, even some CC greens I have played on). this is true. But it also has a few holes cut on ridges where you go up, then down and that cause most folks trouble with these green speeds. Since I just jumped in not really knowing the greens it cost me my first round. But once I got the speed down I putted a lot better. Sill the uneven lies in the fairways and the way the wind plays with chips has got me the most pissed off in this game.
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Post by jtrippuk on Oct 27, 2015 12:21:31 GMT -5
I just am not getting why people are taking issue with the green slopes/speed design. It was perfectly difficult and rewarded good approaches and good putting. There were no holes cut on severe slopes. The issue may be that not many of you have played on greens this fast where you have to aim 2-3 grid squares out to hit a 15-20 ft. putt. Chalk it up as experience but don't blast the design. It is not at all different from real world professional course greens (heck, even some CC greens I have played on). I'm not getting how people are ok with the greens/slopes. Its each to his own, some will like it, some won't. I'm a won't.
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Post by mnguy12000 on Oct 27, 2015 12:57:44 GMT -5
I just am not getting why people are taking issue with the green slopes/speed design. It was perfectly difficult and rewarded good approaches and good putting. There were no holes cut on severe slopes. The issue may be that not many of you have played on greens this fast where you have to aim 2-3 grid squares out to hit a 15-20 ft. putt. Chalk it up as experience but don't blast the design. It is not at all different from real world professional course greens (heck, even some CC greens I have played on). I'm not getting how people are ok with the greens/slopes. Its each to his own, some will like it, some won't. I'm a won't. When it comes to slopes I try to play more break then I think and adjust from there. My problem was I just couldn't figure out these greens at all in round 1. I had 3 3-putts that killed me. Heck on 4 I was like 8 feet away and it was one of those up and down putts and it flew past. On 16th it was a classic over the cup but no drop. That one pissed me off the most, It wasn't dead center, but it should have went in. Worst I was about 20 feet away on 16 and the ball kept going and going leaving me that 8-10 foot come backer up the hill.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 13:03:24 GMT -5
I just am not getting why people are taking issue with the green slopes/speed design. It was perfectly difficult and rewarded good approaches and good putting. There were no holes cut on severe slopes. The issue may be that not many of you have played on greens this fast where you have to aim 2-3 grid squares out to hit a 15-20 ft. putt. Chalk it up as experience but don't blast the design. It is not at all different from real world professional course greens (heck, even some CC greens I have played on). Yeah, when I played through earlier I carefully looked out for 'unfair' pins. They all seemed to fit into the PGA guildlines. A par 3 (7th?) on the last round being the only dicey one with yellow grid around the hole. The PGA guideline says to use with caution yellow grid, but it was of uniform slope and I 2 putted easily from above the hole, in fact I underhit it if anything. Just a tough pin position that gets a lot easier if your approach shot ends up below the hole.
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Post by feng187 on Oct 27, 2015 13:18:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that they were unfair but some of the pins are borderline on a couple of the holes you can see the flag tilted if you zoom in, I thought there was a rule that a pin has to be a flag length away from the edge at least, some seemed very close to the fringe at times. One or two had a slope just past the hole that made putting from above the hole very hard as if you didn't hole it the ball was gone but a good shot in below the hole here gets rewarded so I wouldn't complain about that.
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Post by Lowenberger on Oct 27, 2015 14:28:49 GMT -5
One problem is that there are a bunch of guys that were at the top of CC-A consistently at the end of last season but couldn't move up due to not having exemptions over the last month (guys like Jared, Garrity come to mind that probably are middle level PGA-level players at least).
The other issue the Web right now(and the CC tours are probably even worse), is that almost all of the web players were slotted here based on one tournament. You've got people in the Web tour that might have played above their level in the CC Championship and are now struggling... and same with CC, I'm sure there are some great players in CC that didn't make it to Web because of one bad tournament.
This will sort itself in the next few weeks I'm sure... right now all the Web guys who took exemptions this week are in position to make the cut on the pro tours.
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Post by Royce on Oct 27, 2015 14:32:57 GMT -5
Shot a disappointing -6 66 in round 1, missing an obnoxious putt on the 2nd hole but was able to recover and post a decent score (only 1 bogey). Coming into this week I thought this course suited me well since I really prefer the firm courses and fast greens, so I was not thrilled with my first round.
Everything came together in round 2 for me, I was dead on with my approach shots and sunk nearly every birdie putt I had, only leaving what I felt like stroke out there on the 18th (missed a birdie by a hair) in route to a cool -11 61.
Overall I'm pleased with a -17 through 2 rounds and should have a decent shot at a top 10 on this challenging course.
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Post by canthitstraight on Oct 27, 2015 14:38:22 GMT -5
Very nice first 2 rounds, Royce. If you match that -17 in rounds 3 & 4, you will probably be at least top 3.
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Post by marino313131 on Oct 27, 2015 14:41:01 GMT -5
One problem is that there are a bunch of guys that were at the top of CC-A consistently at the end of last season but couldn't move up due to not having exemptions over the last month (guys like Jared, Garrity come to mind that probably are middle level PGA-level players at least). The other issue the Web right now(and the CC tours are probably even worse), is that almost all of the web players were slotted here based on one tournament. You've got people in the Web tour that might have played above their level in the CC Championship and are now struggling... and same with CC, I'm sure there are some great players in CC that didn't make it to Web because of one bad tournament. This will sort itself in the next few weeks I'm sure... right now all the Web guys who took exemptions this week are in position to make the cut on the pro tours. completely agree with your assessment. I just have a problem with the lack of insensitive for moving up. If the goal of many of the good Web players is to win the Web over moving up then I think it presents an overall problem. I'm sure a lot of people disagree but we all get our opinion
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Post by Royce on Oct 27, 2015 15:00:34 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that they were unfair but some of the pins are borderline on a couple of the holes you can see the flag tilted if you zoom in, I thought there was a rule that a pin has to be a flag length away from the edge at least, some seemed very close to the fringe at times. One or two had a slope just past the hole that made putting from above the hole very hard as if you didn't hole it the ball was gone but a good shot in below the hole here gets rewarded so I wouldn't complain about that. These are the small details that continually bug me, and the so called "top" designers are as guilty of it as anyone, especially when they design a course specifically for tour competition. It's a weak way to suppress scores, and if the pro's saw some of the greens I've played on they would walk off the course. Rule 16.2 Rule 16.3 Rule 16.5 I see all of these broken on oktoberfest, apparently ClayMuffin didn't read up on his USGA or R&A guidelines.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Oct 27, 2015 15:12:41 GMT -5
completely agree with your assessment. I just have a problem with the lack of insensitive for moving up. If the goal of many of the good Web players is to win the Web over moving up then I think it presents an overall problem. I'm sure a lot of people disagree but we all get our opinion
Unlike CC, these upper Tours are not designed as a platform to move up quickly. These are "pro" tours that are based on event point/money accumulation across the entire year. Just because someone wins once doesn't mean they should move up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 15:29:07 GMT -5
Rule 16.3 "A player above the hole should be able to stop the ball at the hole."
You can stop the ball from above the hole on all these greens as the holes all have green slope around them other than round 4 hole 7 which has a tiny bit of yellow around it. However, I managed to stop the ball on that hole anyways, if anything I under-hit it. People really need to improve their downhill putting and not be too aggressive when faced with one.
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Post by feng187 on Oct 27, 2015 15:30:02 GMT -5
One problem is that there are a bunch of guys that were at the top of CC-A consistently at the end of last season but couldn't move up due to not having exemptions over the last month (guys like Jared, Garrity come to mind that probably are middle level PGA-level players at least). The other issue the Web right now(and the CC tours are probably even worse), is that almost all of the web players were slotted here based on one tournament. You've got people in the Web tour that might have played above their level in the CC Championship and are now struggling... and same with CC, I'm sure there are some great players in CC that didn't make it to Web because of one bad tournament. This will sort itself in the next few weeks I'm sure... right now all the Web guys who took exemptions this week are in position to make the cut on the pro tours. completely agree with your assessment. I just have a problem with the lack of insensitive for moving up. If the goal of many of the good Web players is to win the Web over moving up then I think it presents an overall problem. I'm sure a lot of people disagree but we all get our opinionĀ Well said man I agree with you anyway, it seems to be all about winning trophies and ranking points at a lower level in the end as its easier to win and rack up cash/points if you are at the top end of any of the tours. Moving up a level espicially to pga or euro will reduce your chances greatly due to the amount of high calibre players on those tours.
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 27, 2015 16:37:16 GMT -5
One problem is that there are a bunch of guys that were at the top of CC-A consistently at the end of last season but couldn't move up due to not having exemptions over the last month (guys like Jared, Garrity come to mind that probably are middle level PGA-level players at least). The other issue the Web right now(and the CC tours are probably even worse), is that almost all of the web players were slotted here based on one tournament. You've got people in the Web tour that might have played above their level in the CC Championship and are now struggling... and same with CC, I'm sure there are some great players in CC that didn't make it to Web because of one bad tournament. This will sort itself in the next few weeks I'm sure... right now all the Web guys who took exemptions this week are in position to make the cut on the pro tours. completely agree with your assessment. I just have a problem with the lack of insensitive for moving up. If the goal of many of the good Web players is to win the Web over moving up then I think it presents an overall problem. I'm sure a lot of people disagree but we all get our opinion No no no... my my goal is to move up.... If I start doing well here week in and week out, then I'll consider moving up... But I'd rather stay here and work on my game and get to play 4 competitive rounds then go to the pga, miss 75% of the cuts and only get two rounds a week. i don't see what the problem is? If it wasn't so easy to stay on the pga after taking an exemption, I'd gave played this week. It's eminently not that easy on the real tour.
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Post by marino313131 on Oct 27, 2015 16:46:05 GMT -5
Enjoy the trophy ceremonies and god forbid you challenge yourself in the next level.
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