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Post by b101 on Oct 4, 2023 18:18:30 GMT -5
It appears you have achieved what you set out to achieve. Total ball breaker. Wonderful stuff. Caught most of this before work this evening and really enjoyed how you plotted your way around - it’s exactly what I was looking for with you considering stance, wind, elevation and really getting you to feel shots rather than necessarily calculate. You’re dead right about the longer clubs and I don’t consider the major version a fair test without them (most obviously: 13 but numerous other tee shots). What I did love was that you were tempted to try ambitious shots such as the tee shot on 9 and also played some blinders which I hope felt rewarding (tee and approach on 10). Cheers for the play and looking forward to your take on Paraparaumu!
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strangi17
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 154
TGCT Name: Ben Strang
Tour: Kinetic
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Post by strangi17 on Oct 4, 2023 23:12:43 GMT -5
It appears you have achieved what you set out to achieve. Total ball breaker. Wonderful stuff. Caught most of this before work this evening and really enjoyed how you plotted your way around - it’s exactly what I was looking for with you considering stance, wind, elevation and really getting you to feel shots rather than necessarily calculate. You’re dead right about the longer clubs and I don’t consider the major version a fair test without them (most obviously: 13 but numerous other tee shots). What I did love was that you were tempted to try ambitious shots such as the tee shot on 9 and also played some blinders which I hope felt rewarding (tee and approach on 10). Cheers for the play and looking forward to your take on Paraparaumu! While I was whinging I wasn't really upset with some of the bits that were "unfair". I figure that's part of this comp, some things won't seem fair. My course will have similar shots that are pretty cruel. That's a major venue, right? I very much enjoyed working my way around the course. Not a single shot on the course was, just smack it up there and you'll be fine. That's superb.
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Post by ste814624 on Oct 5, 2023 4:41:33 GMT -5
b101 what rocks did you use for that coastline?
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Post by b101 on Oct 5, 2023 6:28:18 GMT -5
Caught most of this before work this evening and really enjoyed how you plotted your way around - it’s exactly what I was looking for with you considering stance, wind, elevation and really getting you to feel shots rather than necessarily calculate. You’re dead right about the longer clubs and I don’t consider the major version a fair test without them (most obviously: 13 but numerous other tee shots). What I did love was that you were tempted to try ambitious shots such as the tee shot on 9 and also played some blinders which I hope felt rewarding (tee and approach on 10). Cheers for the play and looking forward to your take on Paraparaumu! While I was whinging I wasn't really upset with some of the bits that were "unfair". I figure that's part of this comp, some things won't seem fair. My course will have similar shots that are pretty cruel. That's a major venue, right? I very much enjoyed working my way around the course. Not a single shot on the course was, just smack it up there and you'll be fine. That's superb. Oh don’t worry, didn’t take any of it as criticism and it played exactly as I wanted it to. Like I say, was great to see someone think their way around 🙂
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Post by b101 on Oct 5, 2023 6:38:11 GMT -5
b101 what rocks did you use for that coastline? Erm, short answer is ‘lots’ - I had about three pages. There will be a series on YouTube soon (when I can face the editing) chronicling the whole thing, so you’ll see it there. I can share the picture of the ones I used, but it likely won’t tell you much as there’s a lot of work in finding the right faces of certain rocks, working out which ones can be scaled up without losing detail, matching colours and bumps, fit cliff edges for sculpting etc. In deciding to use the lighter grey ones, it made it much more challenging as those models are less detailed compared to the ones on a course like Westholme Ridge. (Link: tgctours.proboards.com/thread/33396/westholme-ridge)
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Post by sandgroper on Oct 6, 2023 9:23:58 GMT -5
So you are suppose to think your way around?
Hmmm, we’ll that’s new to me, may be I’ll play members with course management, orrrrrr may be not.
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Post by b101 on Oct 6, 2023 12:14:31 GMT -5
So you are suppose to think your way around? Hmmm, we’ll that’s new to me, may be I’ll play members with course management, orrrrrr may be not. Kinda, but less than my usual courses. There are angles and there is strategy, but given the nature of the contest, this one is much more: ‘here’s the shot, can you pull it off?’.
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Post by sandgroper on Oct 6, 2023 18:51:00 GMT -5
Well, as a member, I think I got a 2 week suspension, for bad play...
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Post by sirdumas on Oct 7, 2023 5:51:51 GMT -5
Played the members version and preferred it TBH even though I shot the same score. I noticed in the middle of the 10th fairway about 310 yds from the gold tees there are two small circles of heavy rough about 5 yds apart. This has also happened on a couple of my own courses for no apparent reason. Weird.
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Post by b101 on Oct 7, 2023 10:38:50 GMT -5
Played the members version and preferred it TBH even though I shot the same score. I noticed in the middle of the 10th fairway about 310 yds from the gold tees there are two small circles of heavy rough about 5 yds apart. This has also happened on a couple of my own courses for no apparent reason. Weird. It’ll be because I was lazy when deleting a central bunker and didn’t notice there was a section of the spline that didn’t fill correctly. Annoying.
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Post by sirdumas on Oct 7, 2023 18:21:36 GMT -5
Played the members version and preferred it TBH even though I shot the same score. I noticed in the middle of the 10th fairway about 310 yds from the gold tees there are two small circles of heavy rough about 5 yds apart. This has also happened on a couple of my own courses for no apparent reason. Weird. It’ll be because I was lazy when deleting a central bunker and didn’t notice there was a section of the spline that didn’t fill correctly. Annoying. Hard to spot if the rough and fairway are a similar texture. I actually ended up in one of them but made a birdie so still gave the course 5 stars.
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Post by retteach on Oct 7, 2023 18:53:40 GMT -5
Hey Ben,
Played Pin 1,gold tees........wow! A great design but unrelenting for a CC-I player.Loved the environment and interesting hole designs. You really pay a price if you take a chance and miss it. Those greens are an interesting test for the putter.Great job......good luck in the contest.
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Post by cwifa on Oct 8, 2023 2:22:30 GMT -5
One of the best courses I've seen, with moments of hyper realism. But I'm sorry I cannot get on board with those greens. Pins right at the edges, speckled with red, small, one or two had no safe shot (I hit the middle of the green, now am meant to hit over two different red mounds, only for it to then roll off the back despite pulling back on it). Few of the fairways were too extreme an angle for me but that may be a personal thing... also slightly rushed the planting not around rocks - a lot of the incidental grass is next to people and is 5ft high and sparse. I was +4 after 6 holes without finding any hazards, on Pro settings.
I get crucified on here for far less extreme sculpting so I dunno maybe it's such a pretty and well designed plot that people are overlooking it or it's just me 😂
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strangi17
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 154
TGCT Name: Ben Strang
Tour: Kinetic
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Post by strangi17 on Oct 8, 2023 2:44:40 GMT -5
One of the best courses I've seen, with moments of hyper realism. But I'm sorry I cannot get on board with those greens. Pins right at the edges, speckled with red, small, one or two had no safe shot (I hit the middle of the green, now am meant to hit over two different red mounds, only for it to then roll off the back despite pulling back on it). Few of the fairways were too extreme an angle for me but that may be a personal thing... also slightly rushed the planting not around rocks - a lot of the incidental grass is next to people and is 5ft high and sparse. I was +4 after 6 holes without finding any hazards, on Pro settings. I get crucified on here for far less extreme sculpting so I dunno maybe it's such a pretty and well designed plot that people are overlooking it or it's just me 😂 Na, this ain't it, mate. There's a difference between intentionally unfair and bad design, a huge difference. The greens are absolutely playable, as are the fairways, but it's asking for near perfection. I went +5 for my whole round here, on Master, and most of those dropped shots were because I tried to bite off more than I could chew. I'm not saying this course isn't a brute, cause it's definitely a brute. If you can't see why this is so great, maybe you will down the track with more designs under your belt. This course is deliciously wicked.
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Post by b101 on Oct 8, 2023 3:03:01 GMT -5
One of the best courses I've seen, with moments of hyper realism. But I'm sorry I cannot get on board with those greens. Pins right at the edges, speckled with red, small, one or two had no safe shot (I hit the middle of the green, now am meant to hit over two different red mounds, only for it to then roll off the back despite pulling back on it). Few of the fairways were too extreme an angle for me but that may be a personal thing... also slightly rushed the planting not around rocks - a lot of the incidental grass is next to people and is 5ft high and sparse. I was +4 after 6 holes without finding any hazards, on Pro settings. I get crucified on here for far less extreme sculpting so I dunno maybe it's such a pretty and well designed plot that people are overlooking it or it's just me 😂 So, the thing you're missing is that it's for a major design contest, to provide a stern test to the very best players in the world. The contest is not 'build a mildly challenging course'; it's 'build a brute'. It's not meant to be for everyone and unless you watch them play, you will have no idea of just how good they are. Case in point, there are shots out there that are deliberately designed so that only a 103%+ swing with full loft and some fade/draw will allow you to reach, or where you have to control a draw/fade into a slope. If you can't hit those, you're laying back and having a very long approach into the same green from a worse angle and therefore have to be inch perfect, lucky, or both. For reference, you may want to watch Kawkster (current World #1 ranking) and a few others play the course below (the 30 minute mark). P.S. not hitting hazards =/= out of trouble
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