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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 1, 2022 20:54:47 GMT -5
I am new to the 2k universe, so I never had the chance to play 2k21, 2k19 or The Golf Club. But once I got 2k23 and joined TGC, I was addicted! (CC-K, however, so I am not impressive). I was always intrigued by the course designer and did a deep dive on Crazy Canucks Tutorials, but I have yet to dive in (mainly due to time). Eventually, I do want to learn the ins and outs and design a fantasy course or two before tackling the course I really want...my home course! Long story short, The River Club in Boise, Idaho currently has a course (over 100 years old!) but in 2024, the course will be completely remodeled. While the remodel does look beautiful and adds a lot more water than we have now, unfortunately, we will be losing over 700 yards and going from a par 71 to a par 68. 😠Anyway, my question to you experienced designers is, do you think I would even be able to remotely due this course creation justice? Or is this a project for a very experienced course designer? Since it's not LiDAR, and more of a fantasy course based off a real course design and measurements, there is a lot of creativity that can be implemented in the details, which sounds super fun. Bottom line - I don't *think* it would be that hard for me to do in the next couple of months if I really apply myself...but would love to hear the thoughts of experienced designers who have designed real life courses just based off the layout alone, without LiDAR. All tips, suggestions and 'Don't even bother trying' responses are welcome. Also what do you think of this course design? I can't wait to play it in 2025...but no golf for over a year is going to be tough! For reference as to why we are losing so much yardage...all of the yellow in this photo is playable on our current course, but being sold off to build houses, condos and multi-use. 😡
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Post by mvpmanatee on Dec 1, 2022 21:50:01 GMT -5
Welcome to the community! Love to see new designers getting interested in the tools.
I'd say this is definitely possible, but that overhead plan you gave is not very detailed really, just general areas of where greens, bunkers, fairways, and tees are, so there is definitely going to have to be some creativity involved, unless there are more specific plans that you are holding out on us.
With a par 68 of 5500 yards though, there's no way this course can ever be used in a TGCTours event, just being honest here. Absolutely hate the "selling land to build houses" thing anyway.
Either way though, you nailed it: fantasy courses first. The worst thing we can see for new designers is to jump right into RCR or LiDAR projects, which always limit your creativity & the courses always end up coming out not very well. B101 and CrazyCanuck videos are amazing, and lots of practice & focus, and you'll get there.
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 1, 2022 21:59:04 GMT -5
Welcome to the community! Love to see new designers getting interested in the tools. I'd say this is definitely possible, but that overhead plan you gave is not very detailed really, just general areas of where greens, bunkers, fairways, and tees are, so there is definitely going to have to be some creativity involved, unless there are more specific plans that you are holding out on us. With a par 68 of 5500 yards though, there's no way this course can ever be used in a TGCTours event, just being honest here. Absolutely hate the "selling land to build houses" thing anyway. Either way though, you nailed it: fantasy courses first. The worst thing we can see for new designers is to jump right into RCR or LiDAR projects, which always limit your creativity & the courses always end up coming out not very well. B101 and CrazyCanuck videos are amazing, and lots of practice & focus, and you'll get there. Thanks for the response! I definitely know this course would never be in a TGTTours event. I really just want this course for me to play (and of course, anyone else who is interested!) but there are so many incredible courses out there from designers with years of experience...it would take me a long time to get up to TGTTours tourney level! And I definitely don't have any false expectations 😂 As or the overhead plan, nope, that's just what has been shared with us. I am definitely not holding out on anything. Haha. The team designing it looks incredible though. They have some great courses under their belt. www.schmidt-curley.com/I didn't know B101 had YouTube videos as well. Do you happen to have a link? I know CrazyCanuck had also tweeted about his disappointment with the state of the current designer, but that was before the last patch. Did the last patch improve it enough to entice him and others to come back to it? Also, I play on XBox. I am assuming the designer is much easier to use on PC? If so, it would make sense for me to buy the PC version to use for Designing.
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Post by mvpmanatee on Dec 1, 2022 22:09:47 GMT -5
Yes, here is B101's youtube - www.youtube.com/@b101designThere is loads and loads of stuff to learn there, it will keep you occupied forever. The designer is probably easier on the PC just due to development time, but that is an assumption that you have a good machine. It's also an amazing feature to be able to share course files with people, giving you an extra opportunity to do more with the tools than you would on console. That being said, the designer is the same thing on PC vs Xbox, so you aren't missing anything in terms of ability to design. Some of the best designers in the community are on Xbox or PS4, or were on them for years before moving to PC. I was on PS4 for awhile before getting a PC just 2 years ago. The designer was quite broken when the game came out, with big sculpting bugs, random crashes, and other issues, but I believe they have mostly been fixed. The designer community is still generally not too happy with the new game, but there are courses being built none-the-less.
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 1, 2022 22:13:56 GMT -5
Absolutely hate the "selling land to build houses" thing anyway. I hate it too, obviously. But, it is a private club that I and others pay a shockingly low price for. Like, pretty much nothing. The new owners have done millions of dollars of improvements to the clubhouse, etc. It's a pretty incredible place, especially for how cheap it is for me. And the course is always in top notch condition. No dead grass and beautiful true greens. So the owners' excuse was 'if you want your monthly dues cheap, I have to take advantage of a crazy market and sell this land to keep the club in business and costs down for our members.' Which, I can understand. I always wondered how they were going to pay for all the money they were putting into it. 😂 So it sucks, but there is no chance I could join any other club here (5 to 10x the price) so if this is what it takes to allow me an affordable club, I guess I have to support it. Plus the upgrade DOES look really nice. Even with the loss of yardage.
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 1, 2022 22:33:39 GMT -5
Yes, here is B101's youtube - www.youtube.com/@b101designThere is loads and loads of stuff to learn there, it will keep you occupied forever. The designer is probably easier on the PC just due to development time, but that is an assumption that you have a good machine. It's also an amazing feature to be able to share course files with people, giving you an extra opportunity to do more with the tools than you would on console. That being said, the designer is the same thing on PC vs Xbox, so you aren't missing anything in terms of ability to design. Some of the best designers in the community are on Xbox or PS4, or were on them for years before moving to PC. I was on PS4 for awhile before getting a PC just 2 years ago. The designer was quite broken when the game came out, with big sculpting bugs, random crashes, and other issues, but I believe they have mostly been fixed. The designer community is still generally not too happy with the new game, but there are courses being built none-the-less. Oh mannnnn, so many awesome videos on his channel. You aren't lying. That will keep me busy forever! He jumped in the Discord today and said he was taking a break, so it makes sense he doesn't have any 2k23 specific vids out. But he also said he was maybe going to start porting his courses over soon. My PC is decent, but if there really isn't much difference, I can just stick with XBox for now. I thought maybe mouse + keyboard shortcuts might just make the process easier. And you are so right about the community. The biggest draw of 2k is the user created courses. It really is shocking they didn't really make any changes to the designer. Hopefully they can start improving it and adding features via patches in the coming months!
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Post by cer1949 on Dec 2, 2022 21:12:42 GMT -5
You can use Google Earth Pro (a free program) to acquire overhead views of this course. You can zoom in quite close to isolate single holes and get the outlines of greens, tees, fairways, bunkers, hazards, and relative distances. This will assist you in duplicating the shapes of the actual features of the course. You probably have a general idea of elevations for each hole because you play it on a regular basis IRL. LIDAR data is the most efficient and accurate way to duplicate elevations and placement, but is also quite a bit more complex. Here are some overhead screenshots of this course - an 18-hole overhead view and a zoomed in view of only a few holes. You can zoom in much closer than both of these. 18 Holes A few holes near the clubhouse
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 2, 2022 21:45:18 GMT -5
You can use Google Earth Pro (a free program) to acquire overhead views of this course. You can zoom in quite close to isolate single holes and get the outlines of greens, tees, fairways, bunkers, hazards, and relative distances. This will assist you in duplicating the shapes of the actual features of the course. You probably have a general idea of elevations for each hole because you play it on a regular basis IRL. LIDAR data is the most efficient and accurate way to duplicate elevations and placement, but is also quite a bit more complex. Here are some overhead screenshots of this course - an 18-hole overhead view and a zoomed in view of only a few holes. You can zoom in much closer than both of these. Thanks so much! I was considering maybe making a complete fantasy course first, then maybe trying my hand at the current course set up in your Google Earth Pro screenshots, THAN hopefully being good enough to make the new, remodeled course based off the blueprint, using my creativity to fill in the details. It's funny, those sat images must have been taken 5 or more years ago, before the new owner took over. Apparently the course wasn't well maintained back then, cause it looks like a ton of dead grass everywhere. We maybe have a week or two with a couple patches now, but nothing like the sat images show. Even some of the bunkers look flooded and dirty. Ouch!
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Dec 3, 2022 8:14:08 GMT -5
The only hurdle I see is that this course plot is very 'wide' - by that i mean if you draw a box around it's outline, it's significantly wider than it is tall. Since you only get a square plot of appx 2100 yds on a side, you might need to reorient those far 'right' holes to fit.
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Post by teeofftowersey on Dec 3, 2022 12:57:37 GMT -5
Michael, you need to bear in mind that the course designer gives a plot size of approx 2177yds square. The real course plot you mention is rectangular in shape. So if the length of the longer side is > 2177yds you will not be able to fit in the holes with any degree of accuracy.
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 3, 2022 14:57:56 GMT -5
The only hurdle I see is that this course plot is very 'wide' - by that i mean if you draw a box around it's outline, it's significantly wider than it is tall. Since you only get a square plot of appx 2100 yds on a side, you might need to reorient those far 'right' holes to fit. Thanks so much. I didn't know that the plot was square. I could try to fit the 'right' holes south of the River. I will let you all know in a couple of months if I get it done semi-decently!
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Post by teeofftowersey on Dec 3, 2022 16:24:49 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if the course plot does not completely fill the plot available in designer. Just make sure that the designer plot not being utilised is not left devoid of vegitation. I ensure I replicate as accurately as possible the surrounding terrain, e.g. fields, hedgerows, forests, coppices, housing etc.
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Post by Bogey Bonocore on Dec 5, 2022 13:41:03 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter if the course plot does not completely fill the plot available in designer. Just make sure that the designer plot not being utilised is not left devoid of vegitation. I ensure I replicate as accurately as possible the surrounding terrain, e.g. fields, hedgerows, forests, coppices, housing etc. Thanks for the info! I have let to even open up the Course Designer, but I will be soon. And I will be sure to not leave any part of the plot empty! This should be interesting 😂
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