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Post by Doyley on May 6, 2015 13:09:47 GMT -5
We will be using the original Conservatory Club for our tour event. Job just released an updated version but we aren't going to switch to it last minute - we still feel the original is a good test for the PGA Tour.
W19 Course = The Conservatory Club (not The Southern Conservatory Club)
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Post by dlw1964 on May 6, 2015 14:39:53 GMT -5
Good decision
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Post by edi_vedder on May 6, 2015 18:42:36 GMT -5
Absolutely!
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Post by disturbed932 on May 8, 2015 3:21:42 GMT -5
Still going to be controversy over the green complex and pin location on the 3rd
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Post by theduke21 on May 8, 2015 3:54:02 GMT -5
Still going to be controversy over the green complex and pin location on the 3rd You probably mean the 4th. 3rd is a par 5 with a pretty flat green. I actually think 15 is more of a problem than 4. I have no problem hitting a PW or 9 iron within 5 feet on 4 and having a simple putt. I haven't been able to hit the green on 15. Either way, you just gotta fight through it and get your par if you're not in a good position.
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Post by mcbogga on May 8, 2015 4:22:48 GMT -5
Second rant of the day below. Long day at work...
A golf course where there is no controversy is usually a bland, cookie cutter, bad, golf course...
Both holes are border-line, sure. 15 IMO has too much of a luck component involved (I may have had some influence on Job updating it). But that's golf. That is actually what makes golf great. The holes play the same for everyone - just find a way to limit the damage and move on. At the end of the day "par" has nothing to do with competition golf - and with a 3 on 15 you will likely gain strokes on the field. Still think that courses should be built to defend par - but thats for a different reason.
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Post by edi_vedder on May 8, 2015 15:19:40 GMT -5
Finally decided to go for the challenge and hop over from Europe to play this course next week! I hope I'll not regret!
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Post by Mark (Kram) on May 8, 2015 21:38:02 GMT -5
There are plenty of opportunities to chip in if you just miss the green, you need to leave it in the right position. I think it'll be a good and fair test and I strongly suggest a couple of practice rounds.
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Post by dystemper on May 10, 2015 13:43:56 GMT -5
The 4th hole is terrible. 1st if you have a headwind you cannot land in the fairway and stay on. 2nd the green is totally ridiculous, miss a 9ft have fun with your 45ft 2nd.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2015 14:31:10 GMT -5
The 4th hole is terrible. 1st if you have a headwind you cannot land in the fairway and stay on. 2nd the green is totally ridiculous, miss a 9ft have fun with your 45ft 2nd. You played Southern Conservatory? Irons all the problems of this course out and is just an amazing course.
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Post by dystemper on May 10, 2015 15:32:35 GMT -5
I really liked Bison Run for the same reason I don't like this one. Playing safe shots to the fat part of the green. You can't do that on this one, you'll end up 3x farther away. I find its easier to miss the green and try to chip in.
No offense to the designer ( I will try your newer version ) but this course is hard because most greens are tricked out.
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Post by mellowswe on May 11, 2015 1:17:47 GMT -5
Well the course has been discussed in several threads lately. Will just say I had a 15 ft downhill putt on no 4 and missed it but stayed on the top tier. So it's hard to do but not impossible. Besides, any approach shot that catches the slope will leave you with a fairly straight putt up the hill. I've made birdie more times from down there than putting from the top tier. Imo the hole is neither bad nor unfair. However it is counterintuitive, as you would think the best approach is to the left of the flag but it is not. I always play straight for the pin...if I make it stick it's usually a 3-4 ft easy birdie, if it catches the slope I still have a decent chance for birdie and a pretty easy par. Only if I execute a bad shot will I be left of the flag.
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Post by mcbogga on May 11, 2015 11:39:12 GMT -5
The more I play this course the more I like it. May have to retract earlier critisim of 4 and 15 - was probably me not understanding them. Think they are among the best holes on the course now. 4 is just a difficult short par 4. Mellow is 100% right on how to play it.
And in 15 it's really tricky to nail the tee shot - but missing it (reasonably) just leaves some interesting short game dilemmas to solve. I've had pretty much all the putts on that green now uphill/downhill/across the ridge and have parred them every time. If you are above the hole in some spots on this course you cannot putt to make it.
It's a course that has to be managed - and (over) aggression will get punished. Have to stay below the hole on the approach on these greens to get makeable putt. If not, just trickle it down there for a tap in. A versatile short game is also needed for sure. I do think that most holes does have an area that could be referred to as the fat of the green. You won't get a "please make me" putt from that place, but nor should you.
Still have not figured out how to hold the 2d hole and the that par 4 with the bin on a left shelf with bunkers front and back yet though...
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Post by jimgem on May 12, 2015 19:28:09 GMT -5
Meh not for me i thought it was too tricked up just for the sake of making it hard,probably my least favourite course yet on the pga.Nice looking some great visuals and some great looking holes,but greens a bit over the top i thought.
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