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Post by senior8421 on Dec 22, 2021 7:26:35 GMT -5
Can someone explain to green speeds. I have seen in many post people talking about speeds of 187 for example. I design on a ps5 and when i adjust the speed of the green I do not see any numbers. Also, are the green speeds changed people other than the designer once the game is published?
on a related note what is the proper way to set green speed and do I go about doing that when I dont see an actual number. On the ps5 all I see is slow, med, or firm for example
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Post by retteach on Dec 22, 2021 8:44:28 GMT -5
Hi senior8421, The speeds indicate how far a putt will roll on a flat surface if you hit it full.Example, on very fast greens the putt will roll out 187 feet. Very fast is 187, fast is 164, medium is 144, slow is 119 and very slow is 101. You can design at any speed you want but TGC tours can change your default based on what you designed at if they choose to use your course on tour. I have been told it is best to design and test at a speed in between these levels.For example, I design at 175 because this allows them to bump it up to 187 or back to 164.By the way,175 greens are about 8.1 on the green speed metre. It takes a bit of jumping back and forth from edit to play to see what your speed is at.I think they only can change it to the range you design in(up or down to the next level so it is best to design at a speed in between).I also choose this fast speed because it allows me to see any nasty red or orange slopes that become unplayable at higher speeds.Hope this helps.
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Post by senior8421 on Dec 22, 2021 8:54:20 GMT -5
so when you say "they" bump it up or down. Who is they and why would they change the speed from what the designer has set it at?
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Post by sroel908 on Dec 22, 2021 9:04:41 GMT -5
so when you say "they" bump it up or down. Who is they and why would they change the speed from what the designer has set it at? If the course you submit is deemed Tour Worthy and is selected to host an event on TGCT, the rangers and schedulers may check the course to see if it can handle green speeds up to Very Fast - 187. TGCT rounds generally have various green speeds...not all rounds of an event use the same green speeds for each round in most cases. Also, the "187", "164", etc. can be seen in the upper right corner when you are putting...see here: You can see the "187 ft" in the upper right, under the lie percentage of the ball. This number will change based on the speed of the green.
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Post by scootmcgoot on Dec 22, 2021 9:33:06 GMT -5
Very Fast (187) [8.5] Fast (164) [7.6] Medium (144) [6.5] Slow (119) [5.5] Very Slow (101) [4.5]
many designers will design on 187 and have them play well on the highest setting...and then drop it down to whatever they intended prior to publishing. This way they know for sure it will be ok if the scheduler wishes to really crank the speeds up.
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 22, 2021 10:32:47 GMT -5
While in the Green Settings in the Course Designer, the Green Speed setting is expressed in terms of some unknown decimal factor (that appears to be related to the Stimpmeter, but doesn't correlate exactly). The range of values is 4.5 to 8.5 (the fastest speeds in the game act like they are around 11 or 12 on the Stimpmeter; Oakmont famously keeps their greens above 14 for tournament play).
These decimal values while setting the Green Speed in the Course Designer fall into one of three categories: Slow, Medium, Fast. These are NOT the same as the Very Slow, Slow, Moderate, Fast and Very Fast speed selection from the match setup menu, so don't get confused (we'll get to that later).
The decimal point value in the designer translates directly to a discrete Maximum Putt Distance which is the value you see while putting. The Maximum Putt Distance has a range of 101-187 feet. This is what people mean when they talk about "175 Green Speed;" they're referring to the Maximum Putt Distance which is a function of the Green Speed setting.
When setting up a match or society event, the creator of the match or event (for local play, this is the individual player; for society play, this is the Society Admin) can assign a number of different settings for each round of the event. One of these settings is Green Speed, where there are six options. Very Slow sets the Green Speed down to 4.5 (101 feet Maximum Putt Distance). Very Fast sets the Green Speed setting to 8.5 (187 feet MPD):
Green Speed Options by Max Putt Distance Very Slow: 101 feet Slow: 119 feet Moderate: 144 feet Fast: 163 feet Very Fast: 187 feet Default: this maintains the Green Speed (and, therefore, the MPD) that was set by the course designer at the time the course was published.
But, why would someone want to change the settings? When TGC2 dropped and Society Play was introduced, the options available to tournament admins was limited. The biggest complaint was that tournaments were limited to one single course with one set of tees. Being able to change the course settings, round by round was an important part of keeping things realistic and interesting.
Generally speaking, TGCTours doesn't like to stray too far from the default settings when setting up events. That's why there is a recommendation to publish your course with MPD somewhere in between the discrete values available when setting up a match or tournament. That gives the schedulers the most available options when setting up events without risking playability issues such as not being able to hold greens or not being able to putt up large slopes.
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Post by Violinguy69 on Dec 29, 2021 11:26:50 GMT -5
so when you say "they" bump it up or down. Who is they and why would they change the speed from what the designer has set it at? There was a long thread back when 2019 came out about players' ability to change the default settings set by the designers. Some designers were upset that their courses would be played in conditions that would negatively reflect on the course as a whole. Others were mortified that anyone would have the audacity to change settings a designer set for his course (whatever). I will often state in my completed course thread what I think are the optimum conditions to play the course.
Also, sometimes designers create a wonderful golf course that just isn't playable on 187s. I ranger a lot of courses like this. In that case, rather than have the designer edit and publish another version of the course, the scheduler just sets the green speeds at what is fair and legal for tour play. That, and the tours want realistic settings, so maybe it rains and drops the green speeds just like real life. Sometimes the winds are high, and sometimes low. Being able to adjust settings in societies is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
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