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Post by coggin66 on Sept 12, 2021 22:42:20 GMT -5
Many players already use Metric and HUD so there will be literally zero effect for approaches and putts. Others whom use imperial, while on the green, if given a 1FT+ elevation can simply switch the display settings to metric and divide the Cm by 2.54. Nothing difficult about that. Most people take practice rounds, so the Marker Only will have absolutely no effect on gauging elevation on drives or non Pin approach shots; it only takes 5s to jot down an elevation note.
So the change has the potential to create a larger gap in scoring between the "Math/Metric" people vs. the "feel" people. Yes, it will most likely take 10 to 12 extra minutes to finish a round playing the "Math/Metric" way, however, in the end, you get what you put into it. Those unwilling to take the extra time to hammer out the fine details of every shot will find themselves falling behind.
Exact elevation to the pin is given already - not sure why people would need to flip to metric/imperial - unless people are just assuming and haven't tried out the test events.
If you practice and put time into any sport you can expect to do better - no different here. If you want to put in a practice round to jot down notes there's nothing wrong with that.
It's the 1ft rounding error that is the biggest issue for me on the greens (yet another thing that HB have not fixed!). Even though I now live in a largely metric country, in golf real and virtual I've always thought in imperial. If I decide to play with these settings I'll have to try to convert into a metric player.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 12, 2021 22:46:38 GMT -5
Exact elevation to the pin is given already - not sure why people would need to flip to metric/imperial - unless people are just assuming and haven't tried out the test events.
If you practice and put time into any sport you can expect to do better - no different here. If you want to put in a practice round to jot down notes there's nothing wrong with that.
It's the 1ft rounding error that is the biggest issue for me on the greens (yet another thing that HB have not fixed!). Even though I now live in a largely metric country, in golf real and virtual I've always thought in imperial. If I decide to play with these settings I'll have to try to convert into a metric player. Yea, i went back and edited my post after realizing the error of my first sentence. Will leave it here as proof that I'm not perfect and should be held responsible for all double bogeys from here on out The game does a pretty good job of placing the marker these days - in most cases all that's required for those uphill putts is to shove it back a couple of feet and let it rip. Vise versa for downhill.
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Post by twofor22 on Sept 12, 2021 23:09:43 GMT -5
-3 through 9 holes in the special events one. Missed a few gettable putts too. All the golf I've played has been using metric so it's pretty normal for me to use it here too.
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Post by coggin66 on Sept 12, 2021 23:22:21 GMT -5
It's the 1ft rounding error that is the biggest issue for me on the greens (yet another thing that HB have not fixed!). Even though I now live in a largely metric country, in golf real and virtual I've always thought in imperial. If I decide to play with these settings I'll have to try to convert into a metric player. Yea, i went back and edited my post after realizing the error of my first sentence. Will leave it here as proof that I'm not perfect and should be held responsible for all double bogeys from here on out The game does a pretty good job of placing the marker these days - in most cases all that's required for those uphill putts is to shove it back a couple of feet and let it rip. Vise versa for downhill.
I'm an XBox player so my trust level with the game might not be as high as yours! :-)
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 12, 2021 23:31:59 GMT -5
Platinum event @ Sattler. Rd 1 was a -16 and I'm just an everyday Elite player. Yeah, I got lucky and played above my normal level, but I kind of understand more the issues xvshitanvx has brought up about there being only so many strokes out there. If that was a weekly event -18 would certainly show up and -20 would not surprise me (I wasn't even leading after my round for reference). I do trust our schedulers to find the right fits for courses and the round settings, but it can become a fine line trying to balance out the former (hitting limits on strokes out there) with the latter (schedulers trying to fit the settings to the course versus to the scoring, especially on Platinum level events). Edit: As far as using these settings up on the top 3 tours, I am fine with it. Feels like what we've had before with marker only and of course now on Pro level swing. TST players are used to the marker only and I would expect many other players to adapt to it with not too much trouble. The marker, as noted, is mostly accurate on putts needing only minor adjustments on distance. I do like that putting does have some more "feel" to it.
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 12, 2021 23:39:10 GMT -5
It's the 1ft rounding error that is the biggest issue for me on the greens (yet another thing that HB have not fixed!). Even though I now live in a largely metric country, in golf real and virtual I've always thought in imperial. If I decide to play with these settings I'll have to try to convert into a metric player. Yea, i went back and edited my post after realizing the error of my first sentence. Will leave it here as proof that I'm not perfect and should be held responsible for all double bogeys from here on out The game does a pretty good job of placing the marker these days - in most cases all that's required for those uphill putts is to shove it back a couple of feet and let it rip. Vise versa for downhill.
I am pretty sure the marker doesn't do much for putting distance control anymore. It made a huge difference in the last game though.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 12, 2021 23:40:24 GMT -5
Yea, i went back and edited my post after realizing the error of my first sentence. Will leave it here as proof that I'm not perfect and should be held responsible for all double bogeys from here on out The game does a pretty good job of placing the marker these days - in most cases all that's required for those uphill putts is to shove it back a couple of feet and let it rip. Vise versa for downhill.
I am pretty sure the marker doesn't do much for putting distance control anymore. It made a huge difference in the last game though. It gives you a reference point of how many feet of power/weight you should be aiming for in your backswing.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Sept 12, 2021 23:47:27 GMT -5
Played the CC event, didn't find marker only very disruptive at all.
Shot -6 first round and then sped through R2 at +4
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 13, 2021 0:01:38 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the marker doesn't do much for putting distance control anymore. It made a huge difference in the last game though. It gives you a reference point of how many feet of power/weight you should be aiming for in your backswing. Ok, as someone who never takes practice swings/putts I wouldn't know. One thing that has been fixed in this game is every single downhill putt is manageable with the marker off as the backswing distances are much more finely tuned for shorter backstrokes. With marker off you can actually move the marker towards you to slow down backswing but it is invisible, you can't for putts though. With marker only moving the marker has no effect in putting backstroke speed. I do think they have nailed the putting in this game since they tweaked the ridiculously fast backstroke which made short putts really fiddly.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 13, 2021 0:11:03 GMT -5
It gives you a reference point of how many feet of power/weight you should be aiming for in your backswing. Ok, as someone who never takes practice swings/putts I wouldn't know. I never do, either, nor have I ever used haptic feedback. What I mean is that the visual showing of the marker on screen combined with the HUD showing the distance to the hole in these settings and elevation difference, you can infer the weight intended to have good weight/distance lag.
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Post by geordieboy85 on Sept 13, 2021 1:37:26 GMT -5
CC-J player here and just done round 1 on the bungalow beach test, personally loved the settings, the sight off the shot was so much better, makes you think more about the elevation rather than it being given to you, also putting was a little harder. I would be happy with these settings for the new season, looking forward it whatever is decided.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Sept 13, 2021 2:04:50 GMT -5
It gives you a reference point of how many feet of power/weight you should be aiming for in your backswing. With marker off you can actually move the marker towards you to slow down backswing but it is invisible I have real trouble in bunkers when the marker is not set at full distance. I expect the slower backswing but then almost always find myself hitting a red fast and duffing the shot from the sand. My second shot always seems much better but I'm not sure the tempo has changed. Any tips for the slower backswing shots. Does it require a slower forward shot? Hard to attain when normal shot tempo feels a bit faster than what would be required for the example above. Thanks
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Post by inflames47 on Sept 13, 2021 2:34:11 GMT -5
Doyley I did not mind settings for Bungalow Beach Club test event.
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 13, 2021 2:36:24 GMT -5
With marker off you can actually move the marker towards you to slow down backswing but it is invisible I have real trouble in bunkers when the marker is not set at full distance. I expect the slower backswing but then almost always find myself hitting a red fast and duffing the shot from the sand. My second shot always seems much better but I'm not sure the tempo has changed. Any tips for the slower backswing shots. Does it require a slower forward shot? Hard to attain when normal shot tempo feels a bit faster than what would be required for the example above. Thanks Yes the tempo changes when you pull back the marker, it shifts the tempo over. So the slower your backswing the slower the downswing (tempo) needed. We do tend to hit faster for those very short bunker shots and then hit too fast a tempo. Good place to practice partial pitch and splash is on the chipping green. Stick to the same shot ie pitch or splash and see if you can get up and down from different distances from sand and rough. I do recommend using a silver or gold LW as this makes very short splash and pitch shots more accessible. If you're hitting to an elevated green the LW pitch shot is very good as you get good height and a soft landing rather than chipping into an upslope. That LW pitch is my scrambling club from 13 to 30 yards.
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Post by katana22 on Sept 13, 2021 3:14:50 GMT -5
Not a fan at all of the settings from test event (Bungalow Beach) for me & stress just my point of view it feels like I'm just hit & hope and that just doesn't feel like what the game is supposed to be (playing the part of a PGA Pro) it feels like I'm just guessing like I would irl, I don't play pixel golf to be reminded of how much I suck at golf in real life. I know that I could play a practice round and jot down notes as I'm sure the completive players on tour will (nothing wrong with that at all) but for me I'll have to have some sort of list to tell me how long my club will fly as that info is no longer available, all I really want to do is know that if (big if) I hit a perfect that I'm 95% of time going to get the result I planned on getting and to me that's the fun of this game working my way around a course created by our great designers knowing that they are trying to tempt me into a shot and then taking that risky on or deciding not to and playing safe, I have none of that feeling now as is it just feels like hit and hope. I could live with the previous setting used on Peel Castle test event, but these setting on Bungalow Beach just aren't my cup of tea, and with the Beer League moving to harder settings there will now be zero tours for me to play on and enjoy. Honestly at this point I'd rather the tours just stay the way they were last season.
I do want to say thank you to Doyley & the admin team for keeping this great site running and understand that they need to do what they believe is best for the tours and it's members, unfortunately these latest settings if implemented will mean it's time for me to find another game.
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