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Post by bmckenzie69 on Dec 1, 2020 9:19:24 GMT -5
I have watched a lot of tutorials on bunkers and feel like I have a pretty good handle on making them. The default criticism seems to be that a bunker must have some heavy rough between the fairway and bunker or the designer does not know what they are doing. Is it wrong to have a bunker where the fairway goes all the way to the edge so a shot could roll into the bunker? It seems by having heavy rough the bunker is only a penalty of you land or bounce into it, because the heavy rough will stop most rolling shots. The same idea goes for greens. Thoughts?
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Post by whodatmatt34 on Dec 1, 2020 10:01:41 GMT -5
Having bunkers surrounded entirely by fairway is acceptable, but you have to use splines rather than brushes or else you end up with a tiny strip of rough around it that looks awful. It's generally advised that your bunkers don't go through multiple surfaces, though. So don't put half the bunker in the heavy rough and half of it running directly into the fairway (there are a couple styles of course where this doesn't hold true, though). I'd also add that a ball running into some heavy rough surrounding a bunker can be even more punishing than the ball running all the way into the bunker. So I don't think you need to avoid putting rough around your bunkers just to make it a hazard, it should more depend on the overall look/style of your course.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Dec 1, 2020 11:41:33 GMT -5
I have watched a lot of tutorials on bunkers and feel like I have a pretty good handle on making them. The default criticism seems to be that a bunker must have some heavy rough between the fairway and bunker or the designer does not know what they are doing. Is it wrong to have a bunker where the fairway goes all the way to the edge so a shot could roll into the bunker? It seems by having heavy rough the bunker is only a penalty of you land or bounce into it, because the heavy rough will stop most rolling shots. The same idea goes for greens. Thoughts? I think the issue is when this is done poorly, where the light rough collar touches the bunker or runs straight through the middle of it. I think a lot of it depends on the style of the course, in links golf and UK heathland courses the fairway will often run into the front of the bunker yet there will be heavy rough or heather / bracken on the rear to frame it, if this is done well I think it really makes the bunker "pop" and increases the chance of the ball rolling into it. If you want an example, play my course "West Hill Golf Club 2k21" on the 6th hole there's a fairway bunker on the right which IRL swallows everything so I ran the fairway into it, did the same on the 10th hole. I've also got bunkers on St Enodoc in the fairway with no rough collar which is exactly how they are IRL too. If you do want to have heavy rough before the bunker, it might also be worth playing around with Heavy Rough "roll" in the settings menu which allows the ball to roll further through it. Hope that helps
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 1, 2020 12:12:52 GMT -5
I have watched a lot of tutorials on bunkers and feel like I have a pretty good handle on making them. The default criticism seems to be that a bunker must have some heavy rough between the fairway and bunker or the designer does not know what they are doing. Is it wrong to have a bunker where the fairway goes all the way to the edge so a shot could roll into the bunker? It seems by having heavy rough the bunker is only a penalty of you land or bounce into it, because the heavy rough will stop most rolling shots. The same idea goes for greens. Thoughts? It isn't that there has to be rough surrounding the bunkers. It's more that, if you drop a bunker brush in the middle of the fairway, you get a very thin band of light rough around it. If your bunker's shape is complex, or it has several "fingers", then that band of rough tends to be uneven, or even completely missing in some spots. That looks sloppy, and is what is going to be criticized. As mentioned in some earlier posts, you can build a central bunker with no rough edging by drawing the bunker shape using splines. That will give you a neater look. With whatever you do, try to be consistent with the bunker styling for the neatest, most cohesive look throughout your course.
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Post by bmckenzie69 on Dec 1, 2020 15:52:59 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the feedback. Sadly I am thinking about this after submitting my rookie design course. Keeping this in mind for my next one though.
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