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Post by ohheycat on Aug 27, 2020 10:28:27 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if everyone is planning to design in the same way as always. As an example I ported Ocoee and it went from relaxing to very taxing. My fairways are perhaps too narrow and the green size doesnt offer much room for error. Now that the margin of error on even a good shot is expanded, certain things that we have done in the past to combat crazy scoring might seem over the top. Even this course I made to be easy is basically major calibur venue now.
It is still very playable dont get me wrong, and the best part about 2k21 is that the strategic elements in our courses actually matter now.
What do you think about all this?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Aug 27, 2020 10:46:14 GMT -5
Personally I'm going wider, and shorter. (INSERT JOKE HERE). Hazards will be more generally placed. Instead of at a specific yardage. Angles will matter, and there will almost always be a layup/collection area around greens. No more 15 yard fairway chutes. Areas around the green will be more undulating giving options for using the ground game or creating opportunities for lucky/unlucky bounces on mishits.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Aug 27, 2020 10:46:27 GMT -5
Oh, and welcome back.
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Post by ohheycat on Aug 27, 2020 11:05:55 GMT -5
Personally I'm going wider, and shorter. (INSERT JOKE HERE). Hazards will be more generally placed. Instead of at a specific yardage. Angles will matter, and there will almost always be a layup/collection area around greens. No more 15 yard fairway chutes. Areas around the green will be more undulating giving options for using the ground game or creating opportunities for lucky/unlucky bounces on mishits. I think the attention to the edges of holes will be a make or break in how good a tour venue a specific course is. Your approach is one that everyone should consider. I will say that alphasand absolutely works in 21, I got away with a lot over there. I think 30 is the new 20, and it's on the designer whether to make shots near the edge bounce on or off.
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Post by wildy33 on Aug 27, 2020 18:09:46 GMT -5
Great point buddy! I was just going to raise a similar question.
With the options in club selection I think the f/f hazard is irrelevant until someone cracks the overswing. I'm certainly looking towards more generous fairways as you could thread one 320 with your eyes closed in 19. With the new mechanics, I think challenging positional play and preferred angles in to greens is more important than before (although the best tracks always have done) so to not bully people around the course while still rewarding better shots.
I'm opting for more lateral hazards that span a length but are to the edges of the playing line rather than choke points.
Greens are surrounds I haven't fully decided yet. There's the option for much better spin control and I think the terrain reacts much better this time around. This be make the front trap and tight pins a fair play perhaps. I think contouring is going to calm down rather than annexing certain parts of the surface as it's not a valid defense currently. It doesn't seem that greens need to be running at 187 as well which opens the door to more imaginative sculpting.
Course designs are going to so much more dynamic now that there isnt one "template" to defend a hole ie 285y bunkers and I'm super excited to see what comes out!
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Aug 27, 2020 18:40:44 GMT -5
Some random on youtube explains it pretty well.
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