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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jun 20, 2020 14:09:14 GMT -5
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 20, 2020 17:35:40 GMT -5
This will be a really interesting challenge. To build a course with no sand bunkers is always hard stuff. I'll follow your work with real interest
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jun 26, 2020 12:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jul 1, 2020 0:58:15 GMT -5
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 1, 2020 2:12:06 GMT -5
But, if i see well how the hole plays, with the green that seems sloping slightly from left to right and that piece of fairway in the left before the green (obviously i don't know where you want to place the pins), the approach from left don't seems so much penalized, with a short iron. I personally believe the idea of the right fairway and to offer more options is really good, but i'm not sure the right fairway is so much inviting to prefer it to the left fairway, if my words makes sense. .
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Post by b101 on Jul 1, 2020 2:34:51 GMT -5
If you're keeping the hole broadly like this, I'd be joining the two right hand fairways in a heartbeat - when splitting a fairway, I think you need a clear reason to do so (bunker, drastic land movement, water etc) and I don't see one there. Plus, you already have the one split in the fairway up further where it's more strategic and the first split doesn't add anything, but instead lends a feel of island hopping. As Ezzino says, I don't think I'd ever choose the right fairway as it is as you'd have to be perfect to land on and not roll off - join them up but keep the angles the same and you give far more variety. Secondly, in order to make anyone choose left or right based on strategy rather than distance, you'll have to play with the green contours. Some ideas could be to give a general slope left to right (so that if you go left, you're pitching down the slope), pop a run off left, a little mound / spine in the left hand side etc - see below for potential options. I mocked up a couple of ideas - none are perfect and I spent about 30 seconds on each one lol, just pop one main slope or mound down first and then work slopes off that. I'd pin your greens late on or you end up designing for four pins rather than letting the green evolve and see where it takes you. I find you get more creative, interesting greens that way. Obviously, I can't really see the land you've got, so I'm guessing a bit here, but have a look at the crappy Paint mockups below, picture those slopes and then think about where you could pin the greens to encourage a play to the right or the left.
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jul 1, 2020 11:32:57 GMT -5
Appreciate the input guys thanks!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 1, 2020 14:00:07 GMT -5
Is a pleasure. You are one of the most supporting guys, not only with me, but with actually every designer..the minimum thing is to try to return something back for the little i can.
Furthermore, i like a lot the challenge you embraced. And i think you're doing a very interesting work.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jul 2, 2020 10:35:26 GMT -5
Agreed with b101 that you'll have to use the green slopes to create strategy off the tee. From the left fairway, that green shape offers plenty of room in every direction to miss and still be putting. If you're not using sand bunkers, don't be afraid to create grass bunkers (these can be quite penal in TGC if filled with planted grass). Here are two good articles from the fried egg showing how a hole can use either/both green contours and hazards to create distinct, strategic options for both the tee and approach shot. Width Options Strategy Part 1Width Options Strategy Part 1A
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Post by hallzballz6908 on Jul 3, 2020 12:10:53 GMT -5
So this is what I ended up with: fairway on left requires excellent distance control in order to get close. Will be tough with any kind of wind. Fairway to right requires excellent lateral accuracy in order to get close with a pitch. Green is driveable but pitches/chips around the green are quite tricky 😉. Still not the most difficult hole but offers a good birdie opportunity between two pretty difficult holes. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions!
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Post by aeastwood54 on Jul 4, 2020 16:12:36 GMT -5
Looks a fantastic test. Sculpting even from a distance looks top quality.
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