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Post by officinalis on Mar 9, 2020 19:45:52 GMT -5
After a weekend free I was able to finish up the layout on my new delta course. Its far from finished at the moment, but I wanted to give a tiny sneak preview and get a question answered. The par four seventh is a hole the can reward a good drive with a simple pitch shot, or if you leave driver in the bag a short iron over a large pond. Query: How small can I make a green? The front section of this green across from the bunker to the right edge of the green is a bit less than ten yards. The back two thirds of the green seems reasonable, but is the landing area for the pictured pin big enough? With a decent drive you'll be approaching the green with a nine iron in hand. I tried to make a conscious effort to have bigger greens for the most part, but this one is a bit smaller.
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Post by staypuft39 on Mar 9, 2020 19:56:52 GMT -5
Looks fine to me. Obviously small, but definitely not "too small".
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Mar 10, 2020 7:24:39 GMT -5
Pebble Beach is an easy example about how is possible to use really small greens with no issues or doing mistakes.
I think that if a green's surface is proportioned to the roll of the ball depending the club needed, there is nothing wrong to make very little greens.
And, anyway, in the specific case the green in the pic seems to have nothing wrong.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 10, 2020 11:53:40 GMT -5
It does look a tad small. Only because having a short iron approach, you'd really want to contour the green to have 4 unique pin positions. It would add variety from round to round. And I don't know if you have enough room for that. Pebble does have some small greens but it relies a lot on the constant change in whether conditions to add variety. We don't really want to rely on the player to add their own variety by changing the weather every round. I'd extend it back right enough to add one more pin and use that area to help sculpt the green away from the pin you have pictured.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 10, 2020 12:00:09 GMT -5
Something like that but prettier
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Post by officinalis on Mar 11, 2020 23:03:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! Another question folks! I know some people have differing opinions on "useless bunkers". It's an aesthetic thing. Number eleven is a par five running along a small lake. In front of the fairway is a bunker framing the sight line. You aren't ever going to hit the bunker. It's basically just here for looks. How much does it matter? Here it is from the tee.
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Post by joegolferg on Mar 12, 2020 11:50:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! Another question folks! I know some people have differing opinions on "useless bunkers". It's an aesthetic thing. Number eleven is a par five running along a small lake. In front of the fairway is a bunker framing the sight line. You aren't ever going to hit the bunker. It's basically just here for looks. How much does it matter? Here it is from the tee. It doesn't matter at all. If sim players happen to load up a round at your course maybe that bunker will become a hazard or a deceptive visual hazard of sorts.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Mar 14, 2020 9:12:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! Another question folks! I know some people have differing opinions on "useless bunkers". It's an aesthetic thing. Number eleven is a par five running along a small lake. In front of the fairway is a bunker framing the sight line. You aren't ever going to hit the bunker. It's basically just here for looks. How much does it matter? Here it is from the tee. It doesn't matter at all. If sim players happen to load up a round at your course maybe that bunker will become a hazard or a deceptive visual hazard of sorts. Or an aiming guide. And the visual hazard is a great point. They're used IRL. Also i'll add plenty of bunkers don't come into play in real courses. If anyone mentions that the bunker doesn't come in to play just point them towards Whistling Straights.
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Post by officinalis on Mar 18, 2020 1:04:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice! At this point it shouldn't be "Unnamed Delta Project" so much as Unnamed Swiss Project. I was messing with different settings and different looks to the course and Swiss ended up being the theme I was most keen on. What do you folks think? The colors seem to work better, and the plants seem a lot more useful for fine details.
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