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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Feb 12, 2020 18:27:38 GMT -5
I've had a few people ask how I made the namesake creek of my World Cup entry, Doubtful Creek CC, so I streamed (pun intended) a tutorial video on Twitch recently and have since uploaded it to YouTube (embedded below). This is what worked for me, but I think there is room for improvement and refinement, so I'm eager to see what some of the talented designers of this site can do to build upon this method.
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Post by lessthanbread on Feb 12, 2020 18:51:46 GMT -5
Well this is timely.. I was looking for this exact thing yesterday and today. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! i mean thank you Does this work in any direction? Do you have to have the creek viewed a certain way otherwise it won’t look right?
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Feb 12, 2020 20:52:57 GMT -5
Well this is timely.. I was looking for this exact thing yesterday and today. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! i mean thank you Does this work in any direction? Do you have to have the creek viewed a certain way otherwise it won’t look right? This works in any direction if you use small enough drops. I have a stretch on Chautauqua Hills (Not a great course) about 25 yards long where I did this and you're pretty much looking right at it and can't tell. Beware though, I ran out of object meter. The whole creek was suppose to be like that but had to adapt.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Feb 12, 2020 21:11:58 GMT -5
Well this is timely.. I was looking for this exact thing yesterday and today. GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! i mean thank you Does this work in any direction? Do you have to have the creek viewed a certain way otherwise it won’t look right? This works in any direction if you use small enough drops. I have a stretch on Chautauqua Hills (Not a great course) about 25 yards long where I did this and your pretty much looking right at it and can't tell. Beware though, I ran out of object meter. The whole creek was suppose to be like that but had to adapt. Yeah, direction shouldn't matter. In my opinion, the two biggest keys to making it look right are 1) minimizing the height difference between each water body and 2) planting the edge fairly heavily. The easiest place to notice where the water panes aren't flush is where water meets land, so plant the bank as much as you can. In my experience, placing water bodies affects the plant meter only a minuscule amount. There were at least 2000 of them on Doubtful Creek, but the meter was at only 10% or so when I had finished adding them. I eventually ran into meter issues, but that was due to my abuse of multi-planted grasses more than anything else.
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Feb 12, 2020 21:41:11 GMT -5
This works in any direction if you use small enough drops. I have a stretch on Chautauqua Hills (Not a great course) about 25 yards long where I did this and your pretty much looking right at it and can't tell. Beware though, I ran out of object meter. The whole creek was suppose to be like that but had to adapt. Yeah, direction shouldn't matter. In my opinion, the two biggest keys to making it look right are 1) minimizing the height difference between each water body and 2) planting the edge fairly heavily. The easiest place to notice where the water panes aren't flush is where water meets land, so plant the bank as much as you can. In my experience, placing water bodies affects the plant meter only a minuscule amount. There were at least 2000 of them on Doubtful Creek, but the meter was at only 10% or so when I had finished adding them. I eventually ran into meter issues, but that was due to my abuse of multi-planted grasses more than anything else. Maybe it was because I was planting at the same time. That makes sense then. Also I just got to the part in your vid where you were spam planting. I don't know how it is on pc or x-box, but on ps4 you can remap the controller. I switched the left and right arrows with the L2 and R2 buttons. Then I can just hold one of the buttons instead of contorting my fingers (or using my knuckle). The left and right arrows become the zoom.
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Feb 13, 2020 16:16:53 GMT -5
Well done Griffin, I can see where this technique is definitely “panes”taking
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Post by linkslover on Feb 14, 2020 2:50:31 GMT -5
I've called you a taxi Jeremy.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Feb 14, 2020 8:42:28 GMT -5
Well done Griffin, I can see where this technique is definitely “panes”taking ;) No question about that description of the work, Jeremy! I think for myself I would only put that much effort in on creeks that are clearly visible from the golfers point of view. I probably have about 2000 yards of creek in my Lidar WIP Old town Golf Club, and I would not want to have to do this technique for all of that length.
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Post by lessthanbread on Feb 14, 2020 11:44:37 GMT -5
Also a note to add, it's important you keep track of where you want the low point to be for your creek so you don't get too much into a groove of adding all these water bodies and then realize you've gone too far down. Place a water body at the low point of where you want the creek to end up and check every so often as your getting closer to that elevation
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Post by lessthanbread on Feb 17, 2020 22:43:21 GMT -5
This technique seriously needs more love. Everyone should be doing it. You can actually make some pretty significant elevation changes with it. This stretch is only 50 yards long but drops 7 feet and looks seamless even with the camera right up against the water. I could have gotten away with more too. How much total elevation change was Doubtful Creek?
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Feb 17, 2020 23:42:54 GMT -5
This technique seriously needs more love. Everyone should be doing it. You can actually make some pretty significant elevation changes with it. This stretch is only 50 yards long but drops 7 feet and looks seamless even with the camera right up against the water. I could have gotten away with more too. How much total elevation change was Doubtful Creek?About 175 feet. The total creek length was around a mile, if I recall correctly. Thanks for all the love for this technique -- I really do appreciate it, especially in light of today's events. Makes me happy to see people build on what I did here, and I'm excited to play the courses that result from it!
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Post by sandsaver01 on Feb 18, 2020 7:48:02 GMT -5
Also a note to add, it's important you keep track of where you want the low point to be for your creek so you don't get too much into a groove of adding all these water bodies and then realize you've gone too far down. Place a water body at the low point of where you want the creek to end up and check every so often as your getting closer to that elevation It is not that big of a deal Joe, I was doing some Old Town creeks yesterday and found I was going too low, so I just started raising a bit instead. It is impossible to see the difference on the course.
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Post by lessthanbread on Feb 18, 2020 8:19:32 GMT -5
Also a note to add, it's important you keep track of where you want the low point to be for your creek so you don't get too much into a groove of adding all these water bodies and then realize you've gone too far down. Place a water body at the low point of where you want the creek to end up and check every so often as your getting closer to that elevation It is not that big of a deal Joe, I was doing some Old Town creeks yesterday and found I was going too low, so I just started raising a bit instead. It is impossible to see the difference on the course. That’s a good point. Easy fix by going back up, just saves a little bit of extra work
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Post by wildy33 on May 7, 2020 13:10:57 GMT -5
Hi all,
Thanks for the video! It's a real help!
Anyone got any tips for creating a "walled" stream/burn? I'm trying to creat something similar to the Swilican at St Andrews.
I've buried some walls which will have a great look but the lack of vertical terrain makes it difficult to blend the turf to the edge of the stream. Anyone had any experience with this?
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Post by laladiesman on May 10, 2020 14:18:47 GMT -5
What a great idea. I wanted a slow moving, almost dry creek and it was a b%&. I edited the terrain and now the creek is high and swift. Late spring/early summer sorta thing. But I will be using this this technique in the future. Great job. As you can see I still have a lot of work to make this 1)believable and 2)aesthically pleasing
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