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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 24, 2019 22:17:12 GMT -5
Honestly the only change I wish about clubs, it would be to implement something like TW2014. Different kind of clubs, with different characteristics, to fit the most with your style. My thought has always been that if this game could implement some of the good ideas from TW, maintaining the more realistic Implant of tgc, we could have the perfect game.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Aug 25, 2019 6:43:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know if upgrading clubs makes any difference in game play? Thanks in advance! I kind of miss the fact that in TW08 (the last TW I played) the clubs and especially the balls did make a difference. I did a lot of studies on ball and shaft distances and there were some significant differences. There was no money involved, you just got choose which equipment you wanted.
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Post by cseanny on Aug 25, 2019 7:07:31 GMT -5
No one is talking about pay to play. Grinder said the following:
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Post by cliffs on Aug 25, 2019 14:44:34 GMT -5
No one is talking about pay to play. Grinder said the following:
Sorry when I read A POST, I don't take sound bites from it. We have a long driver already, I hit over 300 yds straight as an arrow off the tee with master club set , most of the time. The other two FREE sets are a bit more accurate but don't go as far. The red highlighted part of his quote is classic PAY TO WIN.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 25, 2019 16:04:17 GMT -5
No one is talking about pay to play. Grinder said the following:
Sorry when I read A POST, I don't take sound bites from it. We have a long driver already, I hit over 300 yds straight as an arrow off the tee with master club set , most of the time. The other two FREE sets are a bit more accurate but don't go as far. The red highlighted part of his quote is classic PAY TO WIN. The idea of grinder12000 is this, if i remember well when he explained it a bit better in another post : Suppose that you have a budget (of game's moneys, obviously, not real moneys). You can use your budget to fill your bag with different kind of clubs (every of them with his price) For example you can buy the driver of master clubs, then the 2w of pro clubs, some iron from master clubs and some from pro clubs, depending if you want to privilege the distance or the precision etc. Obviously to have some sense, prices needs to be in such a way to force the player to some difficult choice..and furthermore I don't remember if in his idea are considered also beginner clubs (obviously a beginner putter should be an enormous advantage, for example..and it should be the most expensive club, by far..) If is still this, the idea he means, It can be good or bad (I personally don't like it so much) but is not about paying for win, actually. But I'm not fully sure is what he means, here.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 25, 2019 17:23:58 GMT -5
No one is talking about pay to play. Grinder said the following:
Sorry when I read A POST, I don't take sound bites from it. We have a long driver already, I hit over 300 yds straight as an arrow off the tee with master club set , most of the time. The other two FREE sets are a bit more accurate but don't go as far. The red highlighted part of his quote is classic PAY TO WIN. The disconnect was I failed to make up a silly name for currency and used "dollars". Maybe "points" to use would have been better
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 25, 2019 18:01:47 GMT -5
Sorry when I read A POST, I don't take sound bites from it. We have a long driver already, I hit over 300 yds straight as an arrow off the tee with master club set , most of the time. The other two FREE sets are a bit more accurate but don't go as far. The red highlighted part of his quote is classic PAY TO WIN. The idea of grinder12000 is this, if i remember well when he explained it a bit better in another post : Suppose that you have a budget (of game's moneys, obviously, not real moneys). You can use your budget to fill your bag with different kind of clubs (every of them with his price) For example you can buy the driver of master clubs, then the 2w of pro clubs, some iron from master clubs and some from pro clubs, depending if you want to privilege the distance or the precision etc. Obviously to have some sense, prices needs to be in such a way to force the player to some difficult choice..and furthermore I don't remember if in his idea are considered also beginner clubs (obviously a beginner putter should be an enormous advantage, for example..and it should be the most expensive club, by far..) If is still this, the idea he means, It can be good or bad (I personally don't like it so much) but is not about paying for win, actually. But I'm not fully sure is what he means, here. Basically that was the idea. Somehow make it a choice, between distance and accuracy up and down the bag. Someone mentioned TW and that might be where the idea sprang up. OR - make different balls to choose from which actually have a difference. But TGC is a work in progress and everyonewants everything right away LOL.
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Post by cliffs on Aug 25, 2019 18:45:51 GMT -5
It isn't a different thing if you put a different name on it.
If I pay for a club that will go 300 plus yards and you don't have that club, I am paying to win.
I understand you want them to give everyone ingame cash. Why would they do this with ingame currency?
Where is their incentive to make this happen if they get nothing out of it? As in MONEY in their POCKET
But. it is what it is and I don't see them ever putting this ingame unless 2K tells them to.
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Post by cseanny on Aug 25, 2019 23:37:26 GMT -5
You were unequivocally clear in your OP Grinder. The 3 rules of real estate are location, location, location. The 3 rules of hermeneutics are context, context, context. What would have a different price? People can't just arbitrarily assign words a meaning of their own choice. That which would have a different price is that which was "GIVEN" to the player.
Again, it's a brilliant idea. In fact, it's the most exciting incorporation to date I can envision. You should definitely hit up the HB forums with this proposal.
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Post by cliffs on Aug 26, 2019 5:53:35 GMT -5
You were unequivocally clear in your OP Grinder. The 3 rules of real estate are location, location, location. The 3 rules of hermeneutics are context, context, context. What would have a different price? People can't just arbitrarily assign words a meaning of their own choice. That which would have a different price is that which was "GIVEN" to the player.
Again, it's a brilliant idea. In fact, it's the most exciting incorporation to date I can envision. You should definitely hit up the HB forums with this proposal.
And it will fall on deaf ears at HB . This has been discussed for ages with them and they have said time and again they won't do it. So keep sending the dingers.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 26, 2019 8:06:48 GMT -5
It isn't a different thing if you put a different name on it. If I pay for a club that will go 300 plus yards and you don't have that club, I am paying to win. I understand you want them to give everyone ingame cash. Why would they do this with ingame currency? Where is their incentive to make this happen if they get nothing out of it? As in MONEY in their POCKET But. it is what it is and I don't see them ever putting this ingame unless 2K tells them to. But the club you choose has a ridiculously small cone. Compared to a cheaper club with less distance and a larger cone. Everybody has the same bucket of money to choose distance or accuracy. Nobody has more club cash then anybody else. The only advantage anybody would have is knowing their game. But yea. It’s just a wish list
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Post by rob4590 on Aug 27, 2019 2:24:59 GMT -5
HB can't even balance gameplay on the three platforms correctly...... HB can't balance the three sets properly.....or even admit until nearly a year after release that they ARE difficulty levels afterall!!..... And yet you want to rely on them to balance the pricing on close to 100 individual (unbalanced) clubs over the three (unbalanced) sets in a sensible way? Really? ? The only thing that they COULD do (hopefully without screwing it up, as it should be an easy tweak), would be to give each player a very limited amount of adjustability to club distances in their set - say a total of 5/6 lots of 1 yard adjustments for the whole set in total. In real life, clubs can have their loft adjusted very easily - which this would simulate... So for example, if you (like me) have a big gap between 5i (194yds) and 3i (214yds) - you could decide to use 3 of your 6 adjustments on your 5i - taking its standard distance to 197yds and then use the other 3 on your 3i - but in reverse - so -3 yards - taking that to 211yds. Now you don't have that gap......and you have used your 6 adjustments..... But now you have a bigger gap between the 6i and 5i, and the 3i and 1i....... Up to you where you make those (very minimal) adjustments therefore.... Although that would probably lead to every pro club user simply taking +6yds on their driver..... (possibly stop this by only allowing the tweaks to irons, wedges and hybrids though)
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Post by cliffs on Aug 27, 2019 5:36:49 GMT -5
Isn't that what the loft box does already?
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 27, 2019 8:31:06 GMT -5
Isn't that what the loft box does already? Yea. But loft does basically nothing once you get past the irons. oh. None of this would ever be implemented. Can you see the FUBR between PC, Xbox and PS4 clubs if every club was different ?
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Post by illinoisgator on Aug 27, 2019 8:46:32 GMT -5
I can see the point in having different types of clubs for more realism but I kind of like the everyone plays with the same clubs and pure skill wins out.
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