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Post by NobleMan on Jul 31, 2019 18:57:05 GMT -5
A gorgeous Donald Ross design. Check it out and let me know what you think! Hopefully VctryLnSprts will approve of the job I did on this course.
Signature Hole:17th Hole – 215 Yard Par 3
Aronimink’s most attractive hole plays slightly downhill and represents the final par three before the round concludes. The green is protected by a large pond that fronts the entire putting surface while a smaller bunker sits off the front right corner of the green. A tee shot that comes up short will likely be repelled by the bank that surrounds the green and will kick balls back towards the pond where a large number suddenly comes into play. This is a beautiful, exciting hole and a fitting way to begin the conclusion at Donald Ross’ gem.
Best Par 3: 8th Hole – 238 Yards
This long par three plays to a green that sits at a 45 degree angle with the front left corner sitting closest to the tee and angling back and to the right away from the golfer. Water must be carried off the tee but doesn’t come into play near the putting surface which is protected by a pair of bunkers up front. This downhill tee shot is an excellent usage of the rolling terrain found at Aronimink and provides an exciting shot to a green the is bisected through the middle with a mound.
Best Par 4: 7th Hole – 401 Yards
Nicknamed “Shawnee,” this dogleg right par four features some mounding in the fairway and a slightly downhill descent to the green. The inviting approach to this plateau green features a steep bunker on the left and a pair of bunkers protecting the front right. There is no safe place to miss on this hole, so aim for the middle of the green to protect your round from getting sabotaged by this attractive hole.
Best Par 5: 9th Hole – 605 Yards
Aronimink’s clubhouse is stunning and the ascension to it up the 9th hole is a treat. The hole features four fairway bunkers that alternate being on the left and right sides throughout the journey up to the green. The hole turns slightly to the right with the fairway sloping to the right as well so aiming up the left side of the hole is a good idea. Avoiding the fairway bunkers on your 600+ yard ascent is the key before reaching this relatively easy green to putt on. If that strategy can be managed, then wedging a ball onto the green and knocking down birdie is a good possibility.
Birdie Time: 16th Hole – 558 Yard Par 5
The second of the two par fives at Aronimink, this hole is reachable in two as long as the fairway bunker on the left is avoided off the tee. The opening to this wide green is protected by a pair of bunkers but offers a relatively tame putting surface. Without a driveable par four or a short par three to pick from, this straight forward par five provides the best chance at yielding a birdie at Aronimink. So grip it, rip it, and figure a way to get in the cup in four strokes and take one back from the course.
Bogey Beware: 1st Hole – 428 Yard Par 4
Few courses offer a stiff challenge on its opening hole, but the lengthy par four opener at Aronimink will test your game right off the bat. The hole dips down off the tee and then begin a stout climb uphill all the way up to the putting surface with the only reprieve being the fact that no fairway bunkers come into play off the tee. The green is angled from right-to-left and features a two-tier setup that puts a premium on accuracy when attacking the green. With much of the putting surface out of sight on the uphill approach, this is one tough opening hole and the start of four straight challenging four pars that will set the tone early on how your round will go.
Thanks,
NobleMan (Kent Shaffer)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 0:12:37 GMT -5
How much flattening did these greens need for #alwaysveryfirm #always187?
Looks nice, added to my list to try.
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 1, 2019 4:53:18 GMT -5
No flattening at all Adam.
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Post by aron7 on Aug 1, 2019 14:52:21 GMT -5
A gorgeous Donald Ross design. Check it out and let me know what you think! Hopefully VctryLnSprts will approve of the job I did on this course.
Signature Hole:17th Hole – 215 Yard Par 3
Aronimink’s most attractive hole plays slightly downhill and represents the final par three before the round concludes. The green is protected by a large pond that fronts the entire putting surface while a smaller bunker sits off the front right corner of the green. A tee shot that comes up short will likely be repelled by the bank that surrounds the green and will kick balls back towards the pond where a large number suddenly comes into play. This is a beautiful, exciting hole and a fitting way to begin the conclusion at Donald Ross’ gem.
Best Par 3: 8th Hole – 238 Yards
This long par three plays to a green that sits at a 45 degree angle with the front left corner sitting closest to the tee and angling back and to the right away from the golfer. Water must be carried off the tee but doesn’t come into play near the putting surface which is protected by a pair of bunkers up front. This downhill tee shot is an excellent usage of the rolling terrain found at Aronimink and provides an exciting shot to a green the is bisected through the middle with a mound.
Best Par 4: 7th Hole – 401 Yards
Nicknamed “Shawnee,” this dogleg right par four features some mounding in the fairway and a slightly downhill descent to the green. The inviting approach to this plateau green features a steep bunker on the left and a pair of bunkers protecting the front right. There is no safe place to miss on this hole, so aim for the middle of the green to protect your round from getting sabotaged by this attractive hole.
Best Par 5: 9th Hole – 605 Yards
Aronimink’s clubhouse is stunning and the ascension to it up the 9th hole is a treat. The hole features four fairway bunkers that alternate being on the left and right sides throughout the journey up to the green. The hole turns slightly to the right with the fairway sloping to the right as well so aiming up the left side of the hole is a good idea. Avoiding the fairway bunkers on your 600+ yard ascent is the key before reaching this relatively easy green to putt on. If that strategy can be managed, then wedging a ball onto the green and knocking down birdie is a good possibility.
Birdie Time: 16th Hole – 558 Yard Par 5
The second of the two par fives at Aronimink, this hole is reachable in two as long as the fairway bunker on the left is avoided off the tee. The opening to this wide green is protected by a pair of bunkers but offers a relatively tame putting surface. Without a driveable par four or a short par three to pick from, this straight forward par five provides the best chance at yielding a birdie at Aronimink. So grip it, rip it, and figure a way to get in the cup in four strokes and take one back from the course.
Bogey Beware: 1st Hole – 428 Yard Par 4
Few courses offer a stiff challenge on its opening hole, but the lengthy par four opener at Aronimink will test your game right off the bat. The hole dips down off the tee and then begin a stout climb uphill all the way up to the putting surface with the only reprieve being the fact that no fairway bunkers come into play off the tee. The green is angled from right-to-left and features a two-tier setup that puts a premium on accuracy when attacking the green. With much of the putting surface out of sight on the uphill approach, this is one tough opening hole and the start of four straight challenging four pars that will set the tone early on how your round will go.
Thanks,
NobleMan (Kent Shaffer)
Yes Kent....a course named after me 😂
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 2, 2019 9:04:40 GMT -5
Judging by the bunker shapes, I'm guessing the lidar data pre-dated the 2017 renovation?
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 2, 2019 18:51:30 GMT -5
Judging by the bunker shapes, I'm guessing the lidar data pre-dated the 2017 renovation? Correct theclv24 it is using 2015 Lidar Data. I am getting conflicting imaging for several courses in OSM. Google 2019 and MapBox are showing one course setup and Bing another. Don't know who to believe.
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 2, 2019 19:29:32 GMT -5
Working on White Marsh Country Club right now. Here is what I am talking about.
First one is Bing and the second one is Mapbox, which matches up with Google. Which one is correct? You can see where the bunkers are splined out and also where there are bunkers that are not showing up on google or mapbox. Bing shows the ones in the bottom left and the bunkers that I have splined are not there.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 2, 2019 19:32:33 GMT -5
Looks like the Esri World Imagery has the post-reno images. I believe the amount of bunkers were more than doubled, with clusters of bunkers replacing single bunkers, and greensites expanded: Of course without the matching lidar data, it doesn't really matter anyways. It's always there for future reference at least. Ironically enough as I've been slowly making my way through my saved articles, this one on the restoration came up in the queue today: thefriedegg.com/restoring-aronimink/Sounds like the bulk of the work was between fall 2016 and spring 2017. I don't know how frequently lidar is done, but if 2015 is the most recent than I'm skeptical we will see any updated data anytime soon.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 2, 2019 19:37:48 GMT -5
Working on White Marsh Country Club right now. Here is what I am talking about.
First one is Bing and the second one is Mapbox, which matches up with Google. Which one is correct? You can see where the bunkers are splined out and also where there are bunkers that are not showing up on google or mapbox. Bing shows the ones in the bottom left and the bunkers that I have splined are not there.
Best bet is to check with Google Earth. You can use the timeline slider to see what the most up to date imagery is, and go back in time to see if and when it changed. If the course has a default 3D image, it's usually more outdated than the latest imagery, so you'll want to check the timeline. Augusta is a prime example.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 2, 2019 19:46:47 GMT -5
You can't imagine how much I love to read this kind of conversations. Is better than being at school. A pleasure to read and learn new stuff about this game, courses, everything. Thank you guys.
(and..great job as always, Kent)
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Post by gamesdecent on Aug 2, 2019 20:05:59 GMT -5
Best bet is to check with Google Earth. You can use the timeline slider to see what the most up to date imagery is, and go back in time to see if and when it changed. If the course has a default 3D image, it's usually more outdated than the latest imagery, so you'll want to check the timeline. Augusta is a prime example. I ran into this with Seminole. C&C changed the entire look of the course around 2017. Bunker shapes are more natural and (I'm assuming) look more like they did when Ross originally designed it. The Google Earth slider was invaluable for knowing which LIDAR data needed to be resculpted into a new bunker or smoothed out into fairway. Not that there are more than a handful of reference photos to look at anyways... I haven't been able to find ANY post-reno pics, I've done it entirely from Google Earth overheads.
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Post by NobleMan on Aug 2, 2019 21:37:45 GMT -5
So I checked out Google Earth and you can see that the imagery is from 2016. My lidar is from 2015 which is pretty close and the bunkers do line up with the 2016 google earth. So the question remains... where the hell is Bing getting the imagery they provide and is it more current than google? The bottom image is directly from Bing Maps and is labeled as 2019. As you can see, even the fairway is completely different. I know that I cannot use the 2015 lidar data for the tri-state area here in Pennsylvania and get proper lidar for the bing setup. Everything lines up perfectly with the Google.
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Post by theclv24 on Aug 3, 2019 13:41:16 GMT -5
I went back in the slider for Google Earth, and this image is from 2011: So Bing is definitely out of date. What I can't tell you is when it changed, though. Google Earth jumps from 2011 right to the 2016 image that you see, so it doesn't reveal what the course was like in 2015.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Feb 6, 2021 20:36:15 GMT -5
NobleMan Any chance you might be doing a current LiDAR version of Aronimink with post 2016/2017 bunkering?
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