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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 12, 2018 4:55:22 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is labelling it cheating Frank. It's raising flags on the API is all that has been said. I've been notified about my swing, and it turns out it seems that short swinging is the reason. I've since started to play with a longer swing, which passes the API. I'm much worse off for it, but at least I can have a crack. What I'm a bit unsure on is why it's an issue all of a sudden. Maybe, one day, we'll be allowed to flick without dark thoughts entering our minds once more... #prayforflickers Could anyone check my API-results in the next test tournaments please?? Is that in the Euro and in the Web society? i will play them in the next days. I'd suggest you post in the fair play forum Frank. One of the team will be able to help you out I'm sure. Play in the PGA and Euro events. The rounds will be able to be reviewed after the case.You won't be DQ'd or anything even if flags are raised. It's very likely that they won't even be raised at all. I'm comfortable fully disclosing this information, so: I'm Mark... and I... am a recently converted short flicker I was made aware that my TGC2 controller was raising some flags in the new game. Wired DS4 mk2. I was finding it very easy to hit straight and posting some great scores. I had fair hammered it, exclusively on TGC2, and now I look back at what I was doing in 2019, I had full lines, but I rarely deviated. When made to think about it, I was finding it too easy, so I decided to retire that controller as far as golf goes. Appreciated the heads up to be fair. So I started to work with a few other pads I had in the house. 2 were shagged and had been well abused on TGC1, 2 and a lot of FPS stuff. Not usable. The other was a wireless DS4 that had hardly been used at all. I was very wary of the fact it was wireless, but it had a good tight mechanism, and although i was all over the place with it in comparison to old faithful, I kept using it as it was the best alternative I had available to me. Over time, I learned to adapt my swing with that pad to produce very good results (when I could remain on tempo), but my swing had to change to enable this to happen and I became a fully fledged short flicker who struggled with slow tempo for fear of touching the front of the pad. So, with my new swing, and my new pad, I requested some more feedback. In my situation, my rounds in the last Euro event were fine. I Played R1 of TST this week for another check an played exceptionally well. Struck the ball brilliantly and turned in a -8 with a hole in 1... I was pleased as punch with that performance, but that round failed, and I won't lie, it pretty much knocked the stuffing out of me that round wasn't acceptable. I had absolutely ZERO thoughts in my mind that round would fail. Not a single chance, but obviously, I had to have my mind set to rest to make sure I was square going forward. I played some more rounds, after conversation with Admin about what could be wrong, and my next two rounds (where I purposefully made contact with the front edge of the controller port) passed. I was measures worse, but it passed, so I'm currently now trying to learn another swing and will try to find a way to compete with full stroke lines. I've always been able to produce pretty straight lines. I've only recently started "flicking" so obviously... I've never been one to hammer the stick forward. That combination has obviously raised some concerns. I had absolutely no idea, at all, that my swing with the wireless DS4 I'm on was going to be a problem. All in all, if you are concerned after reading that, strike a chord with the admin in the fair play section, and just play as well, as you can. They'll let you know if there's anything wrong, and you can use what I've found above to potentially retrain? Hopefully I don't have to learn another swing after the HB server patch
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Post by frank70 on Oct 12, 2018 5:33:52 GMT -5
fadgewacker Thanks. Actually i am not that concerned - cause i was never that straight to begin with, not in TGC2 and not in TGC 2019 either. And that is my point: I have quite a few variations in my lines. If the API hits me more or less only because my stick doesn't go all the way up .... i won't play anymore. The point is: Slamming forward the stick results in a quite severe push whenever i do it that way. I won't relearn my swing when i know that i am certainly not "API straight".
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 12, 2018 5:39:04 GMT -5
I think the best thing to do is just play. If something looks wonky, they’ll let you know I suppose.
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Post by North47 on Oct 12, 2018 6:04:56 GMT -5
We're referring to partial downswings (not backswings). People are stopping shortly after passing the center position - likely limiting the amount of data given for the downswing. The end result can be enough to trigger fair play in some cases. Which is why we say use that technique at your own risk should you be using it. There are many other variables at play too - and while we always want to take everyone at face value and trust they're telling us the truth this is the internet and there are always exceptions to every case. So our metrics will be fair and firm - again, the extreme majority 98%+ will have nothing to worry about. So this means that, because I flick the stick forward rather than push it...I'm possibly going to get flagged? Most of my swing lines will reach the top of the swingplane, but there are also a good number of them that don't. Also, will this affect putting as well? When it comes to putting, I don't pull the stick fully back or push fully forward...in fact I barely move the stick in either direction at all!! I pull back maybe 1 or 2mm, hold it, and when the putter comes back as far as I want it to....push forward that same amount. So you only get a small swing line through the centre of the swingplane.
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 12, 2018 6:22:54 GMT -5
We're referring to partial downswings (not backswings). People are stopping shortly after passing the center position - likely limiting the amount of data given for the downswing. The end result can be enough to trigger fair play in some cases. Which is why we say use that technique at your own risk should you be using it. There are many other variables at play too - and while we always want to take everyone at face value and trust they're telling us the truth this is the internet and there are always exceptions to every case. So our metrics will be fair and firm - again, the extreme majority 98%+ will have nothing to worry about. So this means that, because I flick the stick forward rather than push it...I'm possibly going to get flagged? Most of my swing lines will reach the top of the swingplane, but there are also a good number of them that don't. Also, will this affect putting as well? When it comes to putting, I don't pull the stick fully back or push fully forward...in fact I barely move the stick in either direction at all!! I pull back maybe 1 or 2mm, hold it, and when the putter comes back as far as I want it to....push forward that same amount. So you only get a small swing line through the centre of the swingplane. Not necessarily Stephen, but I honestly don't know. What I do know is up there ^ Can't see it being a thing in putting mate.
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Post by Doyley on Oct 12, 2018 8:19:36 GMT -5
Putting without full swings is perfectly fine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 8:30:09 GMT -5
Sorry fadgewacker you have been banned permanently to Exile Island with no chance of parole. Not for flicking the stick or for being too straight, but for playing against SMIFFYLFC79 unless you was trying to get a peek up his skirt, in that case you'll just need your head examined.
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Post by Cyclerob on Oct 12, 2018 9:33:12 GMT -5
Humm... I rarely have a full line when I swing. It's always been light thumb on the stick and make sure that I would pass the mid point. Completing the swing and hitting the plastic would most of the time result an off center hit. So most of my swings look like the op's pics. PS4 and DS4 user here.
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 12, 2018 9:33:51 GMT -5
Sorry fadgewacker you have been banned permanently to Exile Island with no chance of parole. Not for flicking the stick or for being too straight, but for playing against SMIFFYLFC79 unless you was trying to get a peek up his skirt, in that case you'll just need your head examined. I’ve been a long time admirer of smiffys arse Chris... I couldn’t play with him when he turned into a man. I seem to remember registering my extreme disappointment when that happened. Dark tines indeed.
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Post by Cyclerob on Oct 12, 2018 10:42:25 GMT -5
We're referring to partial downswings (not backswings). People are stopping shortly after passing the center position - likely limiting the amount of data given for the downswing. The end result can be enough to trigger fair play in some cases. Which is why we say use that technique at your own risk should you be using it. There are many other variables at play too - and while we always want to take everyone at face value and trust they're telling us the truth this is the internet and there are always exceptions to every case. So our metrics will be fair and firm - again, the extreme majority 98%+ will have nothing to worry about. To be honest, judging by the fuss on FB about this, it more than 2% of your members that play like that. Like Brad said, you kinda have to do that on PS4/DS4 to try to avoid a fast downswing on TGC2019. I personally would be more worried about people that complete their swings, but have the same exact tempo on every shots, aka dlw1964 and the likes! BTW, how do I get about getting you some of my swing data to see if you're API likes or not my swing? I don't want to take the risk of being associated with players that don't play fair!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 12:09:14 GMT -5
We're referring to partial downswings (not backswings). People are stopping shortly after passing the center position - likely limiting the amount of data given for the downswing. The end result can be enough to trigger fair play in some cases. Which is why we say use that technique at your own risk should you be using it. There are many other variables at play too - and while we always want to take everyone at face value and trust they're telling us the truth this is the internet and there are always exceptions to every case. So our metrics will be fair and firm - again, the extreme majority 98%+ will have nothing to worry about. To be honest, judging by the fuss on FB about this, it more than 2% of your members that play like that. Like Brad said, you kinda have to do that on PS4/DS4 to try to avoid a fast downswing on TGC2019. I personally would be more worried about people that complete their swings, but have the same exact tempo on every shots, aka dlw1964 and the likes! BTW, how do I get about getting you some of my swing data to see if you're API likes or not my swing? I don't want to take the risk of being associated with players that don't play fair! I have been in discussion with Admin about the short swing and had a round from earlier this week that doesn't fall in line with a large portion of other PS4 users, so I am working on lengthening my swing to the top of the feedback circle. One round in with this method and that round did resemble what the large portion of the PS4 users have. The thing for me is that I have to consciously remember to do this as it is akin to breaking a years and years long "habit."
I personally have the same tempo (mostly perfect with a bit of fasts on downswings) both before and now while adjusting to this. This was the same in TGC2 as well as far as tempo. Nothing in that regard has changed through the swing change. Granted I am like one and a half rounds into this. I just think some people may have more of a metronome like feel for it. Plus, for me, the feedback is intuitive enough that when I start seeing the fast downswings I can adjust off of it. I guess it helps that I pretty much never have to worry about a slow downswing *knock on wood* on a full shot from the tee or into a green.
Use the fair play sub forum and create a thread there. Only you and staff can see those threads you make.
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Post by North47 on Oct 12, 2018 12:31:51 GMT -5
Putting without full swings is perfectly fine. Perfect, thanks. That's the main one I was, along with a number of other people, concerned about. I can work on getting all off green shots to more be more consistant at reaching the top of the swingplane no problem.
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Post by Cyclerob on Oct 12, 2018 13:29:55 GMT -5
To be honest, judging by the fuss on FB about this, it more than 2% of your members that play like that. Like Brad said, you kinda have to do that on PS4/DS4 to try to avoid a fast downswing on TGC2019. I personally would be more worried about people that complete their swings, but have the same exact tempo on every shots, aka dlw1964 and the likes! BTW, how do I get about getting you some of my swing data to see if you're API likes or not my swing? I don't want to take the risk of being associated with players that don't play fair! I have been in discussion with Admin about the short swing and had a round from earlier this week that doesn't fall in line with a large portion of other PS4 users, so I am working on lengthening my swing to the top of the feedback circle. One round in with this method and that round did resemble what the large portion of the PS4 users have. The thing for me is that I have to consciously remember to do this as it is akin to breaking a years and years long "habit."
I personally have the same tempo (mostly perfect with a bit of fasts on downswings) both before and now while adjusting to this. This was the same in TGC2 as well as far as tempo. Nothing in that regard has changed through the swing change. Granted I am like one and a half rounds into this. I just think some people may have more of a metronome like feel for it. Plus, for me, the feedback is intuitive enough that when I start seeing the fast downswings I can adjust off of it. I guess it helps that I pretty much never have to worry about a slow downswing *knock on wood* on a full shot from the tee or into a green.
Use the fair play sub forum and create a thread there. Only you and staff can see those threads you make.
It just feel wrong to me that I might get in trouble with the API because I apply a very light thumb pressure on the stick when I take a swing and that I let the said stick do the work... Very wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 15:10:14 GMT -5
My swing does resemble this and if I am flagged for it for it so be it. Seems there is enough of us to start tgcf. We should not be adjusting our swings to pass api, rather the converse should apply. As excited as I was to join this organization, I will forever be against the stance that this is an improper technique. Long live the flickers
This is a technique that can be performed by anyone using stock controllers. For that reason alone this should not even be a discussion.
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Post by CuseHokie on Oct 12, 2018 15:51:10 GMT -5
Putting without full swings is perfectly fine. Can you tell which are putts and which are not?
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