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Post by paulus on Sept 11, 2018 18:12:26 GMT -5
None of these are against the rules... and they are totally unenforceable even if you did have strong opinions about them. So this is entirely moot. But nonetheless I still wonder the community temperature on "external aids". Please select 3 answers, one answer for each of the following;
1) Charts - spreadsheets recording distances for clubs / shot types / loft / de-loft / lies / bounce / roll etc etc.
2) Thumb stick extension - physical aid to the swing?
3) Overlays - acetate or other gubbins stuck to the screen, or overlayed in software, to present additional grids & other additional visual aids to setting up/executing a shot.
I don't use 1, but think they are just fine. I currently use 2, so obviously think that's fine. 3 is cheaty mđť’¸heatiness <--- opinion, not fact.
NB: this is in no way directed at cseanny - who's posts have been respectful & well articulated - just interested in where the line is.
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Post by SkinniePost on Sept 11, 2018 18:33:26 GMT -5
Two other ones I am aware of are thumblining and marking the center point on the screen.
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Post by paulus on Sept 11, 2018 18:35:02 GMT -5
What's thumblining Scott?
Markign the center point on the screen would fall under 3.
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Post by SkinniePost on Sept 11, 2018 18:39:13 GMT -5
I guess a physical aid?
Edit: Sorry, misunderstood... Using both thumbs.
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Post by paulus on Sept 11, 2018 18:40:03 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant what does it involve? Not seen it....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 18:49:07 GMT -5
Sounds as though "The Line" is on the TV screen for some.
Can't do nothing about charts and such with how far a fully lofted LW, SW or 3 iron goes, didn't do it in TGC1 and I won't do it now. I'll just stick to guessing how far the ball should go, by slightly lofting or delofting a club. If I get demoted 3 or 4 tiers then so be it.
Have no idea if this is still in the game, but I remember in TGC1 people would count the amount of clicks depending on the mph of the cross wind, or using Boom Boom's green bead reading technique? At least with the non penal rough in this version we don't have to worry about the fully delofted wedge going twice the distance out of the heavy stuff now.
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 11, 2018 18:54:37 GMT -5
A physical aid is something that physically prevents unexpected swing outcomes. Such devices include, but are not limited to rulers and straight edges.
An extended thumbstick doesn't prevent bad swings. A guide taped to your TV to chart out loft and fade/draw does not prevent you from making a bad swing. A book or app that charts out exact carry distances and rollout amount doesn't stop you from a fast downswing.
I dont have a problem with anyone doing anything to help their game, unless it's something that outright prevents unexpected swing outcomes.
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Post by cseanny on Sept 11, 2018 19:08:49 GMT -5
Obviously I voted Fine, Fine, and Fine. ErixonStone I'm glad I'm not all alone heh.
If Socities/TGCTs, etc, make rules then so be it (we decide if we want to play or not). Again, I can do all these things in my head, or with my hand, etc., it just takes longer. In WGT I typically used charts/putting excel formula's and what not, however I also have videos scoring just as good with no aids at all.
If rules are made however, they should be consistent across the board. If it didn't come included in the game then you absolutely cannot use it. No hand written notes. No calculators. No charts. No KontrolFreeks, etc. To do anything less is bias.
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Post by titaneddie on Sept 11, 2018 19:29:12 GMT -5
Where are the Irish?
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Post by SkinniePost on Sept 11, 2018 19:34:09 GMT -5
At the pub? Where I should be...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 19:37:44 GMT -5
Probably preparing for the Ryder Cup.....Is Cairnsey back with his note pads?
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Post by jeffbdvs on Sept 11, 2018 20:22:51 GMT -5
When I first started playing TGC 2 I sucked. At the time I would have said that all these things are unacceptable because it puts me, a newbie, at even more of a disadvantage.
Fast forward to today in TGC 2019. I still suck. But I have a distance chart for reference because I have CRS (Can't Remember S***): "I need this next shot to end up about 11 yards from where I am now. Is it the SW or the PW that spins back to about 11 yards on a fully lofted flop shot?"
And I've realized over the last year or so of playing this game that playing how I like and thoroughly enjoying my round is more important than seeing my name at the top of the leaderboard (or even above the demotion strike line). So if I want to play how I like, then you should get to play how you like. Even if we play each other. If I think your method is an unfair advantage for whatever reason (within or outside the "RULES"), then I can ask you to not do that, I can try what you're doing to level the field, I can just ignore what you're doing or I can decide not to play with you any more. You can make those same choices.
So I'm trying to not care so much about what the other guy does. I can't control that. I can only control what I do and how I react to what you do.
If it's really, really important to me to play a certain way today, then I'll set up a private match for me and my friends. Otherwise, do whatever the heck you want. Let's just go PLAY!!
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Post by mrohde4 on Sept 11, 2018 20:48:24 GMT -5
Most games hold live tournaments at neutral sites like the Madden challenge, etc. with uniform and vanilla conditions for all players.
My opinion is if a player is using something that would likely be prohibited in a live tournament (modified controller, screen stickies, etc.), then they probably shouldn’t be using said thing during TGCT events. But that’s just me.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Sept 11, 2018 21:30:57 GMT -5
No issue with charts. I used a chart in TGC 1 until the yardage was in my memory and the chart was no longer needed. I don’t know what thumbs mean so no idea there.
Now 3 I have an issue with only because TGC 1 had a gridded loft box and this was intentionally removed by HB to help alleviate dial a distance. Yes I understand it can be done through various methods but overlaying a grid to your screen just seems bush League to me. I really don’t care who does what in this regard because as was pointed out by Patrick you still need to hit the shot. I find that more often than not the ones using charts and and these overlay gimmicks need them to be semi successful at the game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 22:18:50 GMT -5
1. I have no issue with. I don't use charts in game, but I do use yardage guides and notes I have taken on courses in real life golf. I really don't see much of a difference.
2. No issue there either. I use a pad on my thumb pad just because it's fatter and easier on my fingers. I have never seen it ever give me an advantage on my swing...it just allows my thumb to actually fit the joystick.
3. *shaking my head* I really have no words for this. The lengths that people will go to to be "good" at a video golf game amazes me. Not much more I can say on this without being offensive.
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