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Post by PithyDoctorG on Apr 9, 2018 8:12:38 GMT -5
I'm the designer of that awful golf hole. Firstly, I wasn't thinking about CC-Am when I was designing this course. Hell, I wasn't even a member of TGCT when I designed this course. This design has some quirky elements and I am not at all surprised that some people don't like it. On 12, there is plenty of room out to the left if you aren't confident about distance control. That said, I've never had an issue holding the green on that pin position if I hit it the right distance (that said, it IS a real challenge to hit it the right distance). What hole did you hit the middle of the fairway and drift into a bunker? This is certainly a course where you have to think before you swing away, but it's also possible that I didn't flatten some areas carefully enough. Here's an experiment to try : CC-Am is supposed to be a learning ground for the next level up. So, go and have a play through of the CC-Pro course for this week, Holland Park (CC) and let me know what you think of the two course choices, and the reasoning for them being chosen. Because I'll tell you, I can't understand it. Holland Park is a beautiful course, it doesn't have any tricked up greens at all. It is for all intents and purposes ideal for CC-Am. As was Ravenswood a few weeks back, and others. Yet they aren't scheduled for the likes of us. Believe me, I don't have to. I know how screwed up the scheduling is. That 12th hole is one of the WORST holes I have ever played IN MY LIFE. And I have played some miserable holes but this one is beyond a joke. And yes, I CAN do better. I can at least make a course for CC-AM that won't make the players want to pull their hair out of their head.[/quote]
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Post by dave000 on Apr 9, 2018 12:15:45 GMT -5
i would have to say this is one of the worst courses i have played why this was chosen i have no idea some of the greens are way to small and the tee's well there is one which is on like a small mole hill shocking
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Post by scoops on Apr 9, 2018 12:43:05 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the course. I hit -8 should’ve been -12 but missed some easy putts and had 2 bogeys. Some people need to get a life and either enjoy the challenge or stick to season mode on the game and leave TGC tours
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Post by ErixonStone on Apr 9, 2018 13:20:56 GMT -5
Actual feedback from our Rangers:
- Would be just fine for a CCAm major - CC-B Player - [acceptable] Only because of speed of greens & major - CC-D Player - Feels like a good fit for an Am major. Lot's of places to make mistakes but plenty of chances to recover from them - Web.com player - Fun course, good to go for Am - CC-D Player - This is a perfect course for a major for CC tours - CC-C Player - Personally I think it's a bit too difficult for CC-Am. Would fit Pro better. - CC-C Player
4 of 5 rangers who are currently in the Challenge Circuit gave positive feedback about the course for a major on CC-Am. The dissenting opinion was that it would be suitable for CC-Pro. The course comes in at about 6500 yards in overall length at a par 71.
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Post by xboxjonnyuk on Apr 9, 2018 13:43:38 GMT -5
This is my first tour after finishing Q-school and yes it's such a tough course and hell after 2 rounds I'm doing awful but it's made me think more, practise more, think again and try to get better. Yes it's not going to be one of my favourite courses but it's a challenge and can only help you get better. That's just my honest opinion and you can say if I'm right or wrong.
Thanks for the designer and thanks to all you guys here organising.
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Post by xboxjonnyuk on Apr 9, 2018 13:47:03 GMT -5
This is my first tour after finishing Q-school and yes it's such a tough course and hell after 2 rounds I'm doing awful but it's made me think more, practise more, think again and try to get better. Yes it's not going to be one of my favourite courses but it's a challenge and can only help you get better. That's just my honest opinion and you can say if I'm right or wrong. Thanks for the designer and thanks to all you guys here organising. And can you believe first round +8, second round +3 then I go to practise and -2 :-)))) Better get out again!
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Post by scoops on Apr 9, 2018 13:55:15 GMT -5
2nd rd I hit -9 so I’m -17 thru two rds. I am a CC-E player and have been for 2 years now. Although I am on another exemption this week in D. But I bounce between the two constantly. The course is fine. Tough enough to be a major but scorable as I have proved. If you have a bad rd then that is on you. Deal with it, it’s golf and it’s a game!
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Apr 9, 2018 15:34:56 GMT -5
I've just came back down from CC-C and had a practice round on the course before I played, I wasn't keen on the course but found a few holes that have possible eagles. I think that evens out the difficult holes.
I triple bogied the 4th because I was about 50-odd ft from the pin and 3 ft downhill. I had a fortunate bounce on the 8th which led to an eagle chance. Overall I has the triple bogey, 3 bogies, 7 birdies and 2 eagles to finish -6.
My target for the first round is always about halfway up the leaderboard, which I reckon will be about -4. So I'm quite happy with the start because my game was all over the place in the last few weeks.
The course is tough at times but birdies and eagles can be picked up on other holes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 15:55:57 GMT -5
I will just remind everyone that this week's event is a major, and the course selected is intentionally more challenging than the average CC-Am course. However, everyone is playing the same course in similar wind, so how you manage the course and execute shots are still going to be the keys to scoring well. Ah, that explains a lot. Thanks Patrick. I don't pay attention to that stuff anymore. My interest in this game is bare minimum. I play 4 days a week during lunch and that's it. So it's a total of 2 hours tops. Still don't know how to put the green elevation in the HUD. If you could give me a hand on that.
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Post by cephyn on Apr 9, 2018 16:02:38 GMT -5
CC-D player here (for now) - threw up a -1 overall...I actually really enjoyed this course. In my first round I was destroying the front 9, out in 29 (-7!) with an ace on 6. Reality set in though as I cratered on the back 9, back in with a 40 (+5). That was humbling.
Plenty of ways to screw up, some good risk/reward holes, plenty of ways to score well. I thought this was a good course this week.
There were definitely holes I didn't solve over the 4 rounds. I don't know how I'm in CC-D (will be demoted this week for sure) and I'll probably scuffle in CC-E too, since I just seem to be a near-scratch golfer in TGC2.
But that's not the course. This was a fun course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2018 16:22:17 GMT -5
I'm the designer of that awful golf hole. Firstly, I wasn't thinking about CC-Am when I was designing this course. Hell, I wasn't even a member of TGCT when I designed this course. This design has some quirky elements and I am not at all surprised that some people don't like it. On 12, there is plenty of room out to the left if you aren't confident about distance control. That said, I've never had an issue holding the green on that pin position if I hit it the right distance (that said, it IS a real challenge to hit it the right distance). What hole did you hit the middle of the fairway and drift into a bunker? This is certainly a course where you have to think before you swing away, but it's also possible that I didn't flatten some areas carefully enough. Believe me, I don't have to. I know how screwed up the scheduling is. That 12th hole is one of the WORST holes I have ever played IN MY LIFE. And I have played some miserable holes but this one is beyond a joke. And yes, I CAN do better. I can at least make a course for CC-AM that won't make the players want to pull their hair out of their head. [/quote] Dan, doesn't matter anymore. After it was explained to me that this was for a major, all bets are off. I'll accept a course like this for a major, even for down here. But if CC-E had to play this every week, I'd protest, especially if CC-A was playing Little Brook Manor type courses. But given the circumstances, it's fine. The hole I hit the middle of the fairway and it rolled into the bunker on the right, don't remember. Don't care at this point. I just want to play my last 2 rounds (I'm -6 through 2) and put this one behind me.
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Post by mattf27 on Apr 9, 2018 19:21:37 GMT -5
Not sure I quite got all the fuss. I thought this was a fun and challenging little course, but it was fair. It asks you to think about where you're putting the ball, and it isn't always down the middle or right at the hole. Sometimes you need to play slopes. But everything is there in front of you if you look for it. Had a "rustic Augusta" vibe to it for me. Managed -23 with some unforgivably bad putting, and I went -3 on #12. I rather enjoyed that hole. Yes, the landing area is tiny, but given it's length, it needed some sort of little gimmick to be interesting. It ended up being memorable, and every time I played that hole I was excited to see if I pulled it off. Look forward to seeing more from the designer, he's got a good instinct for strategic design.
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Post by Trusevich on Apr 9, 2018 20:11:48 GMT -5
I will just remind everyone that this week's event is a major, and the course selected is intentionally more challenging than the average CC-Am course. However, everyone is playing the same course in similar wind, so how you manage the course and execute shots are still going to be the keys to scoring well. Is CC-Pro on a Major too? If so, why is their course not as off-the-scale bonkers as ours?
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Post by runicstarfish on Apr 9, 2018 20:30:25 GMT -5
Not sure I quite got all the fuss. I thought this was a fun and challenging little course, but it was fair. It asks you to think about where you're putting the ball, and it isn't always down the middle or right at the hole. Sometimes you need to play slopes. But everything is there in front of you if you look for it. Had a "rustic Augusta" vibe to it for me. Managed -23 with some unforgivably bad putting, and I went -3 on #12. I rather enjoyed that hole. Yes, the landing area is tiny, but given it's length, it needed some sort of little gimmick to be interesting. It ended up being memorable, and every time I played that hole I was excited to see if I pulled it off. Look forward to seeing more from the designer, he's got a good instinct for strategic design. I totally agree with this post ... I myself didn't shoot a -23, wish I could, it's a great four rounds to have, but what I shot 73, 69, 66, 66, for an - 11 after 4Rds. Not bad. Considering. Personally I never complain about the course or it's layout ... because it's the same layout for everyone that plays it. If I play like crap it's my fault, not the courses fault or the designers. It's all about course management ,,, and some of us consider it better than others. Just MHO.
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Post by lions67 on Apr 9, 2018 21:20:12 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with this course whatsoever. Like others have said, you have to think where you are going to put that ball. So far I’m loving it. -16 after 3 rounds. Shot 65 66 66. Left an eagle and 3 birdies on the table on my 3rd round. Poop happens Now to just stay consistent thru my final round and hopefully I get another exception and move up to D. Fingers crossed .
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