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Post by jacobkessler on Feb 11, 2019 22:05:22 GMT -5
He’s just so childish. It’s like we’re listening to some dramatic celebrity, not the @!$#ing president.
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Post by paulus on Feb 12, 2019 8:22:56 GMT -5
He’s also an inciter of intolerance and violence... this sort of sh%$ is a direct result of his campaigning rhetoric... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47208909I expect these sorts of incidents to get worse as the 2020 campaign gets into full flow.
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Post by cliffs on Feb 12, 2019 16:38:02 GMT -5
President Donald Trump told the crowd at his rally in El Paso, Texas, on Monday that he got special permission from the El Paso Fire Department to let 10,000 people inside the El Paso County Coliseum.
El Paso Fire Department spokesman Enrique D. Aguilar told The El Paso Times that not only did the fire department not give Trump special permission, but the Coliseum had about 6,500 people in it during the president’s rally. Aguilar says that number was at capacity and well within its standard allowance.
The spokesman added that “it might be 10,000 with the people outside” total, but the fire department didn’t track the number of people outside the venue. While the number Trump quoted about his attendees might not have been far off, he blatantly lied that he got special permission, according to Aguilar.
“Now the arena holds 8,000,” said Trump, during the rally. “And thank you, fire department. They got in about 10,000. Thank you, fire department. Appreciate it.”
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Post by karma4u on Feb 12, 2019 16:49:20 GMT -5
Yup, he also told his rally that Beto had about 200- 300 people had his. When, in fact, the number was estimated at around 7,000. smh.
Hey, the guy just lies, he can't stop. It's what he's done all his life. Just a seriously sad POS.
Heck, according to Donald he has already built most of the wall. Just has to finish it now.
He's delusional. JMO.
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Post by jacobkessler on Feb 12, 2019 19:18:39 GMT -5
Just your opinion? But isn’t him being delusional a fact?
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Post by jacobkessler on Feb 12, 2019 23:38:17 GMT -5
This tweet makes me sick...
Like, are you kidding me? The president is joking about genocide now? The right needs to wake up: history is repeating itself. Trump has so many similarities to the evil Hitler. Both rose to power because of racism. Both want(ed) to make their country “great” again. Both have/had a hatred for one specific religion. And now, apparently neither has a problem with genocide? History repeats itself. This needs to stop.
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Post by ErixonStone on Feb 13, 2019 0:15:54 GMT -5
Pointing out the President's personal character flaws, incessant lying, bigotry, etc. doesn't make many people vote against him. The 2020 election will not be won by Democrats if that's what they focus on. Instead, they need to demonstrate why the Republican platform is hurting them and how the Democratic platform solves specific issues created (or made worse) by the current policy. Yes, Trump is bad and all that. But what matters is how the Democrats are better, and if they cannot demonstrate this, they will lose.
People are just now seeing the consequences of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, and will continue to see their situations worsen while multi-millionaires and billionaires reap rewards. People have already seen the consequences of this administration's tariffs. People are already against wasting $20B on a wall, instead realizing that money could be better spent elsewhere. Democrats need to contrast that with their policies and show how their policies are better.
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 13, 2019 2:23:31 GMT -5
Pointing out the President's personal character flaws, incessant lying, bigotry, etc. doesn't make many people vote against him.
Sad but true when it comes to most of the racists in his base. This stuff is a feature, not a bug.
However, I am doubtful about your recommended approach. People have been perfectly happy to vote against their economic interests for this man, I don't think rational arguments from Democrats will win them over. These people will just then complain about how the big city liberals are talking down to them about what is best for them.
However, constantly reminding the public of what and evil farce Trump is, should be a big part of the strategy because a landslide victory is possible just by driving turnout of the Democratic voters. They don't need to win any Trump supporters over, they just have to fight against apathy of the people who are embarrassed by him. Constantly focusing on the lies, the narcissism, the admiration for dictators, the grifting, the laziness, the plain meanness should be a central part of the strategy for this reason.
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Post by cliffs on Feb 13, 2019 6:50:16 GMT -5
The Dems will win if they do not stoop to DT's childish ways and start the mud slinging. I know it won't happen but that would be a huge benefit if they could.
Also, they need to concentrate on what Americans have been saying THEY want. Not necessarily a medicare type insurance but some sort of affordable health care.
Get our infrastructure repaired. (There are 3 bridges in my area that because they are in bad repair, the roads have been closed for over a year, making a lot of commuters unhappy.) I realize that States and towns should (and do) pay for repairs but the Fed plays a big part in the financial side of that.
Education....you want to make America great again, it isn't through trade wars or getting out of deals with allies, it's getting our children the education they deserve so they can compete on a global market when the time comes for them to lead us.
A huge "promise" that might get a Dem to be the nominee and potential President would be an introduction of term limits of some sort in D.C. The opposite argument there would be, if you want term limits then vote us out. That is the one thing that baffles me the most about Americans...I hear many people screaming for term limits yet we keep voting in the same people. Maybe instead of term limits an age limit would work. I believe my son in law who works for the Feds has to retire at age 50 ( I will check ).
And the number one thing that will get a Dem in the WH...a guarantee (not a hollow promise) that whomever it is, will NOT govern by Twitter or have as his/her chief advisers any news outlet.
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Post by paulus on Feb 13, 2019 8:36:14 GMT -5
Education....you want to make America great again, it isn't through trade wars or getting out of deals with allies, it's getting our children the education they deserve so they can compete on a global market when the time comes for them to lead us. QFT!
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 13, 2019 11:16:32 GMT -5
Also, they need to concentrate on what Americans have been saying THEY want. Not necessarily a medicare type insurance but some sort of affordable health care.
The thing is, Americans want affordable healthcare but they also buy into Republican messaging against any and all regulation. So what is the end result? Any proposal of government action to limit HC costs slides into endless discussions about false narratives like death panels and people waiting months for a treatment in single payer countries. Market based solutions don't really work to contain costs because there is no elasticity of demand for the healthcare expenditures that cost a lot, so we need something like a single payer to really reduce cost. The thing is, single payer as a term doesn't poll well. Medicare still does poll well. furthermore the existing healthcare providers know how to work with Medicare billing and reimbursement and all of the aspects for providing service where the wheel would need to be reinvented
Regardless, a presidential candidate can't really promise the American people a solution to this problem because it is not happening without filibuster proof majority in the Senate which isn't something any president can expect to have in 2020.
Trump in 2016 told people they would everyone would get coverage, and it would be better coverage, and it would cost a lot less. He had no plan to deliver that other than to tell Congress to make that happen, the AHCA doesn't do any of those things. People don't seem to blame him for that now. Should Democrats just repeat that strategy? I doubt it will work the same way for them because they actually have some shame and principles.
Medicare for all makes a lot of sense when you consider all of that. Maybe not the best system that could be drawn up on a blank state but the best proposal given our current politics and healthcare systems that we have in the US.
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 13, 2019 14:01:35 GMT -5
Democrats aren't going to win the White House by exchanging insults vs the Traitor. That gutter is his neighborhood. He lives there. Nothing has to be true in what is said. It just needs to sound like a professional WWE wrestler (WWE is fake, Trump is fake, Trump is friends with the McMahon family, it all fits).
Democrats cannot go there if they wish to win the White House. They need to pound the ground with the financial irresponsibilities of the GOP and steal that mantle of "fiscal conservatives" out from under their feet. With that comes tuning down the universal healthcare until they come up with a way to pay for it, whatever that is. We want it but we need a way to pay for it.
And this just in... Mexico is now going to pay for Medicaid for All and El Chapo will pay for southern border walls. No word on that northern border yet. Waiting on a response from Pamela Anderson.
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Post by joegolferg on Feb 13, 2019 14:33:35 GMT -5
It's as if Omar and Ocasio-Cortez are battling it out for the best polemicist award. This is without a doubt the best question a US politician has asked in recent years 😂
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 13, 2019 15:33:32 GMT -5
It's as if Omar and Ocasio-Cortez are battling it out for the best polemicist award. This is without a doubt the best question a US politician has asked in recent years 😂 As much as I hold Abrams responsible for his actions in Iran-Contra, the "gotcha" questions are pretty easy to come up with on someone like him. It was actually a pretty low brow question. She can do better.
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Post by joegolferg on Feb 14, 2019 0:29:50 GMT -5
It's as if Omar and Ocasio-Cortez are battling it out for the best polemicist award. This is without a doubt the best question a US politician has asked in recent years 😂 As much as I hold Abrams responsible for his actions in Iran-Contra, the "gotcha" questions are pretty easy to come up with on someone like him. It was actually a pretty low brow question. She can do better. Nah, his response alone shows how non low brow that question was. His must have felt extremely uncomfortable for him to say that a fact about him is a personal attack. What would have been a better question?
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