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Post by mrvinegar206 on Dec 6, 2018 18:00:15 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I've done one of these
Here's your cool golf course architecture photos of the day!
Some stuff Tom Simpson made back 100+ years ago
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Post by scampi00 on Dec 6, 2018 18:42:01 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I've done one of these Here's your cool golf course architecture photos of the day! Some stuff Tom Simpson made back 100+ years ago That bottom left picture there is something else. Just beautiful.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 8, 2018 9:45:16 GMT -5
It's been awhile since I've done one of these Here's your cool golf course architecture photos of the day! Some stuff Tom Simpson made back 100+ years ago Wow... The 'mountain range' bunkers look good. Very obscure look to them.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 8, 2018 14:00:08 GMT -5
I spent a full hour slowly and thoroughly reading through this article today. If you want to see a routing masterclass, look no further. This course is a golden age masterpiece!
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Post by theclv24 on Dec 9, 2018 9:48:11 GMT -5
I spent a full hour reading slowly and thoroughly reading through this article today. If you want to see a routing masterclass, look no further. This course is a golden age masterpiece! I saw this the other day, and that he updated the old pics with new drone photos. Those pics were enough to get me to port over the one hole I had laid down in TGC2 and start working on it again. Still upset that Andy agreed to give me any info I needed on the course to help me make it, and then after the 1st request I made he stopped responding to e-mails. But whatever...
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 9, 2018 12:06:59 GMT -5
I spent a full hour reading slowly and thoroughly reading through this article today. If you want to see a routing masterclass, look no further. This course is a golden age masterpiece! I saw this the other day, and that he updated the old pics with new drone photos. Those pics were enough to get me to port over the one hole I had laid down in TGC2 and start working on it again. Still upset that Andy agreed to give me any info I needed on the course to help me make it, and then after the 1st request I made he stopped responding to e-mails. But whatever... Breaking news! The CLV is building a golden age classic! I never knew you had this course on your list. I'd absolutely love to play it. Very unfortunate that you didn't get any real data/info for the course but there are quite a lot of good photographs, now. Out of curiosity, which hole did you build?
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Post by theclv24 on Dec 9, 2018 21:47:46 GMT -5
I mapped out the size of the plot on Google Earth when I first started working on it, and laid down Sheridan Rd as a border. I figured to get the plot layout right that it would be easiest to start in the NW corner, so I worked on the 13th hole. I recently put down the Redan 14th next to it.
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Post by joegolferg on Dec 10, 2018 3:26:29 GMT -5
I mapped out the size of the plot on Google Earth when I first started working on it, and laid down Sheridan Rd as a border. I figured to get the plot layout right that it would be easiest to start in the NW corner, so I worked on the 13th hole. I recently put down the Redan 14th next to it. Yeah, that corner of the course seems to be where most of the action is. The ravine is in play a lot in that corner. Love how you play into the ravine, out of the ravine on the very next and then the redan is wrapped by the ravine. Unreal routing. You must be itching to build the 'short' hole...
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Post by gregfordyce on Jan 14, 2019 21:45:33 GMT -5
The bearded bunkers on the 8th at Erin Hills Golf Course, Wisconsin. Beautiful!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 22:08:00 GMT -5
That reminds me, does anyone own a copy of Golf Course Architecture, 2nd Ed, by Michael Hurdzan? The book textbook came out in 2005 and it's basically The Physician's Desk Reference for anything in Golf Architecture at 433 pages. He covers everything from Basic Criteria to Plans and Bidding down to Environmental Factors. I wanted to buy this several years ago, but at $130, that wasn't going to fly. Scanning Amazon the other day, I came across one that was used and was for sale for $40 so I snatched it up and it has been a great read although I suggest you "wander" around the book and not really try to read it cover to cover. One funny thing about the copy I got was that it was signed and given to Hurdzan's mother-in-law. Wonder if she read it or just sent it down to Goodwill?
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Post by theclv24 on Jan 15, 2019 23:19:31 GMT -5
That reminds me, does anyone own a copy of Golf Course Architecture, 2nd Ed, by Michael Hurdzan? The book textbook came out in 2005 and it's basically The Physician's Desk Reference for anything in Golf Architecture at 433 pages. He covers everything from Basic Criteria to Plans and Bidding down to Environmental Factors. I wanted to buy this several years ago, but at $130, that wasn't going to fly. Scanning Amazon the other day, I came across one that was used and was for sale for $40 so I snatched it up and it has been a great read although I suggest you "wander" around the book and not really try to read it cover to cover. One funny thing about the copy I got was that it was signed and given to Hurdzan's mother-in-law. Wonder if she read it or just sent it down to Goodwill? That's wild. Seems like a not very nice thing to do by Donna... or any other family member if they donated it on her behalf. To your benefit, you have an instant conversation to strike up with Mikey if you ever meet him, although maybe avoid calling him Mikey.
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Post by joegolferg on Jan 16, 2019 14:43:21 GMT -5
What template is this?
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Post by nevadaballin on Jan 16, 2019 14:48:49 GMT -5
"When your oldest son is 6-foot-5 & wears a size-12 shoe, he could twist an ankle trying to follow in this father’s footsteps. But when it’s course design, my son Jack and I are a good fit!"
~ Jack Nicklaus
Video > /video/1
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Post by gregfordyce on Jan 16, 2019 15:39:26 GMT -5
That reminds me, does anyone own a copy of Golf Course Architecture, 2nd Ed, by Michael Hurdzan? The book textbook came out in 2005 and it's basically The Physician's Desk Reference for anything in Golf Architecture at 433 pages. He covers everything from Basic Criteria to Plans and Bidding down to Environmental Factors. I wanted to buy this several years ago, but at $130, that wasn't going to fly. Scanning Amazon the other day, I came across one that was used and was for sale for $40 so I snatched it up and it has been a great read although I suggest you "wander" around the book and not really try to read it cover to cover. One funny thing about the copy I got was that it was signed and given to Hurdzan's mother-in-law. Wonder if she read it or just sent it down to Goodwill? Wow, very cool! Although yeah - UNcool of his mother in law to just sell her son-in-law's book. I would love to read that book myself, will have to look for a (unsigned) copy. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by dvdgobucks78 on Jan 17, 2019 22:43:25 GMT -5
Love this thread! Consider it bookmarked!
There is a great book by Robert Trent Jones Jr. titled "Golf by design" In this book, Jones details how a golf architect uses different design tools to create shot values. In the chapter devoted to bunkering, he describes several common types of bunkers, each with their own unique properties, and what they all mean for he player as they attack the course.
1) Face bunkers; this is a bunker that shows it's "face" to the player. These bunkers are generally of moderate difficulty, and are used by the architect to more clearly define lines of play. These often have a strategic value, as they are often placed near corners of fairway doglegs and usually offer a carry or go around option. The bunkers behind the green at Augusta National hole 13 are a great example. The bunkers add depth perception and frame the green nicely, giving visual cues for players trying to reach in two.
2) Pot bunkers; This is the most penal type of bunker. Pot bunkers are small and deep, offering few options for escape. If it looks intimidating, it's supposed to. Stay away. See hole #17 (road hole bunker) at the Old Course at St. Andrews
3) Carry bunkers; This type of bunkering was popularized by A.W. Tillinghast, who believed that golfers enjoy hitting shots over impressive looking hazards. These bunkers rarely come into play for skilled players, and are more aesthetically pleasing than a real threat to your round. These bunkers are usually large and flat, and can have unusual shapes. Augusta National was originally designed with quite a few of these, but most were rendered obsolete and removed from the course. The bunker in the fairway on #10 is the last true Tillinghast carry bunker on the course.
4) Heroic bunkers; These bunkers are placed with a risk/reward de cision to make. These bunkers can have any or all of the traits listed above, but the common element in all is a severe penalty for those who attempt the dangerous route and fail. Often these bunkers are angled, giving the player option to "bite off as much as you can chew." The 11th hole at TPC Sawgrass is a great example. The large fairway bunker pinches the landing area for longer hitters, making an attempt at reaching the green in 2 shots more foreboding. This bunker actually doubles down on the risk/reward as it nears the green complex. The green is large enough that laying up will leave a fairly stress free 3rd. But for those trying to hit from over 220 yards out, the green looks tiny compared to the 17 foot deep chasm that surrounds it.
5) Rescue bunker; Believe it or not, golf architects will sometimes make life easier on us hackers! This type of bunker is placed as a "buffer" between the target and a hazard of severe penalty such as water or out of bounds. The pot bunker on #17 at TPC Sawgrass comes to mind here as it is all that stands between the green and a watery grave. These bunkers are sometimes difficult, but generally easier than where the ball could have ended up. If you find yourself in one of these, be sure to thank your architect before deftly escaping for your par.
6) Cross bunkers; These can be a large single bunker, or made up of multiple bunkers crossing the fairway. These hazards must be attacked aerially and are usually very demanding. Shots coming up short will generally leave a long sand shot, often in the uncomfortable 30-50 yard range. Lay up short of these until you are sure you will get across safely.
7) Waste bunker; These are usually large and flat, and can have various challenges. Often, these will have native grasses, shrubs, or other natural elements within it's boundaries. Escape from a waste bunker is usually predicated on the lie, leaving those who find it a 50/50 chance of escape.
I thoroughly enjoyed this book, and would recommend it for both players and architects alike!
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