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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Dec 31, 2016 11:57:52 GMT -5
First off, I want to say that I'm not a psychologist and these are just my opinions. Like all of you, I don't know Daniel's full story, I'm just going off my interactions with him.
I think if we could just do a shoutbox ban, that would be ideal. But as far as I know, you can't just ban someone from it without denying access to the entire forums. Smurf hit it right on the head about having new members see remarks about how terrible the game is and throwing remarks about suicide. I know many see those remarks as harmless (I used to as well at one time) but becoming close to someone who had a family member commit suicide opened my eyes to see that those remarks can really affect someone, as harmless as they may be.
Dan seems like a great guy, but he seems to have a complete addiction to the game. And the addiction seems to resort to rage more often then not. That can't be good on a person. For his well being, he should be doing things that make him happy. As "harsh" as a long ban is, I feel like letting him back on and running free on the forums is like we are enabling him. He may say he is better and has things under control, but just seeing his actions since then from a distance since the ban (constantly taking me and others off and back onto his steam friends list, rage playing final rounds and posting them) shows me he is still struggling.
I really hope Daniel just moves away from the game and finds something that makes him happy. Also, people wanting him back to "spice up the forums" is perplexing. Don't get me wrong, I love controversial posts as much as the next guy, but in Daniel's case (from what I've seen) are more than just harmless posts, there seems to be some serious underlying issues.
Anyway, back to my sudoku puzzles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 12:04:51 GMT -5
First off, I want to say that I'm not a psychologist and these are just my opinions. Like all of you, I don't know Daniel's full story, I'm just going off my interactions with him. I think if we could just do a shoutbox ban, that would be ideal. But as far as I know, you can't just ban someone from it without denying access to the entire forums. Smurf hit it right on the head about having new members see remarks about how terrible the game is and throwing remarks about suicide. I know many see those remarks as harmless (I used to as well at one time) but becoming close to someone who had a family member commit suicide opened my eyes to see that those remarks can really affect someone, as harmless as they may be. Dan seems like a great guy, but he seems to have a complete addiction to the game. And the addiction seems to resort to rage more often then not. That can't be good on a person. For his well being, he should be doing things that make him happy. As "harsh" as a long ban is, I feel like letting him back on and running free on the forums is like we are enabling him. He may say he is better and has things under control, but just seeing his actions since then from a distance since the ban (constantly taking me and others off and back onto his steam friends list, rage playing final rounds and posting them) shows me he is still struggling. I really hope Daniel just moves away from the game and finds something that makes him happy. Also, people wanting him back to "spice up the forums" is perplexing. Don't get me wrong, I love controversial posts as much as the next guy, but in Daniel's case (from what I've seen) are more than just harmless posts, there seems to be some serious underlying issues. Anyway, back to my sudoku puzzles. Wow, Canadians have Sudoku? You really ARE civilized up there. Just kidding Canuck. Jerry says hi.
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Post by Brighttail on Dec 31, 2016 12:14:10 GMT -5
Yeah we just got it in July. Next up is DSL/Cable internet. Using dial up so sux. I can't wait!
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Post by smurfblade88 on Dec 31, 2016 12:18:23 GMT -5
First off, I want to say that I'm not a psychologist and these are just my opinions. Like all of you, I don't know Daniel's full story, I'm just going off my interactions with him. I think if we could just do a shoutbox ban, that would be ideal. But as far as I know, you can't just ban someone from it without denying access to the entire forums. Smurf hit it right on the head about having new members see remarks about how terrible the game is and throwing remarks about suicide. I know many see those remarks as harmless (I used to as well at one time) but becoming close to someone who had a family member commit suicide opened my eyes to see that those remarks can really affect someone, as harmless as they may be. Dan seems like a great guy, but he seems to have a complete addiction to the game. And the addiction seems to resort to rage more often then not. That can't be good on a person. For his well being, he should be doing things that make him happy. As "harsh" as a long ban is, I feel like letting him back on and running free on the forums is like we are enabling him. He may say he is better and has things under control, but just seeing his actions since then from a distance since the ban (constantly taking me and others off and back onto his steam friends list, rage playing final rounds and posting them) shows me he is still struggling. I really hope Daniel just moves away from the game and finds something that makes him happy. Also, people wanting him back to "spice up the forums" is perplexing. Don't get me wrong, I love controversial posts as much as the next guy, but in Daniel's case (from what I've seen) are more than just harmless posts, there seems to be some serious underlying issues. Anyway, back to my sudoku puzzles. Well said. Ye the whole bring him back for our amusement doesn sit well with me.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Dec 31, 2016 13:11:24 GMT -5
Don't know who to quote so erm just another round up but shorter. Firstly this discussion has been civilised which is shocking having Crazycanuck1985 and smurfblade88 both activately posting ! I do see where everyone is coming from and hope that everyone can see where I'm coming from. I'm a forgiver probably stems from the amount of crap I've done and I know when I was 15-21ish I was a colossal jackass but I was given many. Chances to cop on and sort myself out difference was mine was real life and not an online forum. Life time ban is extreme and I think a sliding scale is better and will help both tgct and Dan start it at a week then if offends make it longer either the result will be A) he stops B) he gets a life ban and everyone can say Moe was wrong Now enjoy your New Years and go play Cnoic Lionn Dubh that designer is awesome. Love you men x
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Dec 31, 2016 13:15:36 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why someone moaning about his own play would bother anyone else? Isn't not reading his posts an option we all have? I don't and so he's perfectly charming if you ask me. Actually missed this post very fair point. There's a certain Canadian that I'm making a super secret assassination plan for and I just don't read his posts when I see his name I skip it!!
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Post by Doyley on Dec 31, 2016 13:18:24 GMT -5
Just to put an admin voice on this - we won't be lifting Dan's ban on the forums. Many of the reasons have already been stated but the one I'm holding on to the most was Dan himself saying he needed to be perma banned. I believe that was during one of his most honest moments. I don't think he has the will power to enforce it himself. I have tried to give him as much rope to self police as much as possible and he's pretty much used it all up to the point we have none left to give him.
Allowing him to still play on tours allows him to still get his golf fix. Judging by his recent name changes and the fact he's posted scores well over 150 on the TST as recent as 2 weeks ago shows me he is still battling his demons.
I went to bat for him as much as I could - he got extra chances and nothing changed - so we are where we are now.
Wish nothing but the best for Dan but also have a responsibility to TGCT as well. We (Admin) were getting to the point where we didn't want to come to the forums because of the constant negative vibes from him. Other members had expressed the same sentiment at that time. Hope that helps explain it a bit - wish it could be different but don't see that happening any time soon.
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Post by Doyley on Dec 31, 2016 13:22:02 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why someone moaning about his own play would bother anyone else? Isn't not reading his posts an option we all have? I don't and so he's perfectly charming if you ask me. Actually missed this post very fair point. There's a certain Canadian that I'm making a super secret assassination plan for and I just don't read his posts when I see his name I skip it!! One major issue was that most of his negativity was posted in the Shoutbox - a place that everyone sees first upon entering the forums. There is no way to ban a member from just the Shoutbox - so either we remove the Shoutbox or we remove Dan - which he requested we do.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Dec 31, 2016 13:31:38 GMT -5
He shot a 163 in the 4th round on the True Sim Tour a month ago... The dude is one of the best players here and that round was surely a big time meltdown - rage quit - controller tossing contest - on his part.. Who would take the time to finish that ?? I'm surprised he didn't leave his ball 2 feet from the hole on 18 and drop the mic Daniel Waring +83 63 73 68 163 367 $37,200 Scorecards I mean, $37,200 for a +83. WOW!
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Post by golferdude1994 on Dec 31, 2016 13:48:57 GMT -5
Obviously, he is a good guy who I have talked to a bit but his problems that resonate are far bigger than simply this game. I wish Dan the best but many of you hit the situation on the head. There are reasons for bringing him back and for leaving it as it is, so it may be more prudent to keep it as is.
Since there is nothing left to say on my part, I will just say Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhpppppppppp rollllllllllllllllllliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg.
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Post by mde8965 on Dec 31, 2016 18:19:31 GMT -5
Just to put an admin voice on this - we won't be lifting Dan's ban on the forums. Many of the reasons have already been stated but the one I'm holding on to the most was Dan himself saying he needed to be perma banned. I believe that was during one of his most honest moments. I don't think he has the will power to enforce it himself. I have tried to give him as much rope to self police as possible and he's pretty much used it all up to the point we have none left to give him. Allowing him to still play on tours allows him to still get his golf fix. Judging by his recent name changes and the fact he's posted scores well over 150 on the TST as recent as 2 weeks ago shows me he is still battling his demons. I went to bat for him as much as I could - he got extra chances and nothing changed - so we are where we are now. Wish nothing but the best for Dan but also have a responsibility to TGCT as well. We (Admin) were getting to the point where we didn't want to come to the forums because of the constant negative vibes from him. Other members had expressed the same sentiment at that time. Hope that helps explain it a bit - wish it could be different but don't see that happening any time soon. After reading the rest of this thread, I can totally respect the ban thing. Had no idea there was mention of suicide. And I will tell you about 5 weeks ago he was one of the ghosts I played with in PGA I believe and he melted down in round 4 and shot 100 or something. I had to turn off his ghost. From that and the story about the recent TST event it sounds like nothing has changed. Before now I truly thought he just did what he did for attention, not because he truly had instability issues brought about by the game. That makes my earlier post about how he spiced up the forum sound totally callous. And I never meant that at all. Thanks for taking the time to reply Doyley!
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Post by mde8965 on Dec 31, 2016 18:26:34 GMT -5
Hey all. I don't know Dan personally. But I am on his friend list on Steam. LOL. If Dan really wants back in I hope the power s that be will consider it. We need more characters around here. Things have grown a bit stagnant on the forums recently. Don't take that to mean I am relishing in his angst when he is going through his "episodes" but it does add an element of drama that draws folks in. That said I'm not privy to if he has been a challenge to the admins with the "I want in". "I'm leaving" "I want in" "I'm leaving" stuff. If so then I see that side of it too. But if the ban is a "tough love" thing imposed my admins or by Dan's request" to rehabilitate his rage issues and he feels he is ready to handle the ups and downs of this game, then I enjoyed reading some of his posts. Michael, if you need some excitement, I can bring Jerry out of the closet. I like Jerry... Although maybe I'm in the minority. JERRY... JERRY! ... JERRY!! ... JERRY!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 23:22:48 GMT -5
First, Jerry is the embodiment of evil and should never be seen here again.
And as for Dan, speaking as someone who has battled mental illness all his life, this place is not healthy for him and we would be knowingly harming him if we let him back here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 6:56:27 GMT -5
First, Jerry is the embodiment of evil and should never be seen here again. And as for Dan, speaking as someone who has battled mental illness all his life, this place is not healthy for him and we would be knowingly harming him if we let him back here. Jerry is hurt and offended and is not inviting you to his next birthday party.
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Post by Doyley on Jan 25, 2017 11:57:39 GMT -5
Just an update on this - I've reached out to Dan with some rules he must follow if he wants to return to the forums - he's agreed to them. As soon as TGC2 is released he'll be back on the forums.
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