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Post by dh-nufc on Jun 16, 2015 10:33:02 GMT -5
Has anyone got any tips on reading breaks? I almost always borrow too much or not enough, I don't see any pattern yet. While I'm sure there is some mathematical formula out there people use, for the most part I have been hearing from the elite it is just putting by feeling. The feeling you get after playing hundreds of rounds and making thousands of putts. Basically there are two schools: 1. Putt hole speed which means you have to allow for more break. The Pros is if you miss you will be closer to the hole. The Con is if it is a major breaking putt, it becomes more difficult to judge that speed exactly and it is a harder putt many times. 2. More than hole speed, this means you can take out some of the break and often times ram it into the cup by putting through the break. The Pro is that you take as much as 1/2 the break out of it, especially useful for shorter putts. The Con is if you miss, you will be past the hole and will have a much longer putt coming back. Cheers. I've probably had more putts than most! II always used method 1 but read a few posts about method 2. I probably made 5% more putts but the consequences of missing was too great. I tend to use a mixture of techniques now. I use method 2 for uphill putts and where the slope continues up after the hole but method 1 for downhill. It still doesn't work too well. I normally miss by in inch or two. I have noticed on occasions that I don't hit straight so need to concentrate on that. I'm trying to analyse what happened when I miss putts. For example do right to left putts break more than left to right putts but I don't see the pattern yet. |
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Post by settlerofcatan on Jun 16, 2015 16:14:41 GMT -5
I've put this as a thread on the main Driving Range forum, but also wanted to mention here. I have created a Suggested Club Calculator, based on Doyley's club and loft numbers. It's a Google Doc so you can easily save as your own and use as needed. Hopefully it makes doing that math/club selection a bit more quick for all of you. TGC -Suggested Club Calculator
Enjoy! Nate |
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Post by edi_vedder on Jun 16, 2015 18:45:11 GMT -5
Hmmm... not sure if I should like it or not.  I'm doing those calculations too sometimes (if needed), and that's okay I think. But I thought it's a good thing people have to do the maths themeselves, instead of using a "calculator". Anyway... thanks for the effort, I'll give it a try. PS: Is this spreadsheet using Doyley's latest adjustments? |
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Post by settlerofcatan on Jun 16, 2015 18:48:35 GMT -5
Hmmm... not sure if I should like it or not. I'm doing those calculations too sometimes (if needed), and that's okay I think. But I thought it's a good thing people have to do the maths themeselves, instead of using a "calculator". Anyway... thanks for the effort, I'll give it a try. PS: Is this spreadsheet using Doyley's latest adjustments? I used the Google spreadsheet at the beginning of this thread...I assume that he would have had adjustments reflected there? The data I took was from this morning if that was updated. If there's a better/more updated source let me know and I will adjust! Nate |
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Post by edi_vedder on Jun 16, 2015 18:50:35 GMT -5
Hmmm... not sure if I should like it or not. I'm doing those calculations too sometimes (if needed), and that's okay I think. But I thought it's a good thing people have to do the maths themeselves, instead of using a "calculator". Anyway... thanks for the effort, I'll give it a try. PS: Is this spreadsheet using Doyley's latest adjustments? I used the Google spreadsheet at the beginning of this thread...I assume that he would have had adjustments reflected there? Seems like he adjusted/updated the values on June 15th. So I guess you have the right numbers, right? |
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Post by settlerofcatan on Jun 16, 2015 18:53:31 GMT -5
I used the Google spreadsheet at the beginning of this thread...I assume that he would have had adjustments reflected there? Seems like he adjusted/updated the values on June 15th. So I guess you have the right numbers, right? I'd assume so! As for this making it easier on folks to not do math ... you're correct ... but I like that in this game that there is healthy room for your own corrections once you have a club in your hand that gets you 90% of the way there. You still have to adjust for green slopes, roll-out, cross winds that aren't perfectly with or against you...and then putting. Man, I love this game! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 19:13:10 GMT -5
Wow...such a difference.
I went from averaging anywhere from +20 to +30 per round to just firing a -4 the first time I used these tips. What a lifesaver. I felt horrible being so bad. At least now I have a fighting chance!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 21:52:22 GMT -5
Never mind...tried using them in my first Champions B tournament and these were WAY off on a few of the holes. Maybe I was just lucky in that other round because I'm back to my old suckiness.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jun 18, 2015 4:45:49 GMT -5
Never mind...tried using them in my first Champions B tournament and these were WAY off on a few of the holes. Maybe I was just lucky in that other round because I'm back to my old suckiness. Must have been the way you were using the spreadsheet as it's pretty well known and respected that the figures in the sheet are nailed on. Extreme conditions can cause them to be a few yards out but nothing major |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 17:51:39 GMT -5
I'm sure it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2015 12:45:16 GMT -5
Seems like he adjusted/updated the values on June 15th. So I guess you have the right numbers, right? I'd assume so! As for this making it easier on folks to not do math ... you're correct ... but I like that in this game that there is healthy room for your own corrections once you have a club in your hand that gets you 90% of the way there. You still have to adjust for green slopes, roll-out, cross winds that aren't perfectly with or against you...and then putting. Man, I love this game! What numbers were changed? I can't even see a difference between the original and the new document *EDIT* Okay, now I've stopped being blind, I can see the loft distances are adjusted. Were there any calculation changes? |
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Post by Doyley on Jun 21, 2015 22:53:57 GMT -5
Were there any calculation changes? No, just loft distances changed - calculations were untouched. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 30, 2015 5:58:55 GMT -5
to me this takes the fun out of the game becomes too mechanical and darn serious maybe this is why I am only a below average player but i rather have that road
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Post by billybudd0623 on Jul 1, 2015 9:25:51 GMT -5
Since the update, I am having a devil of a time on long putts. I either come up well short, or 15-20 feet by.(talking about 45-60'+ putts) I cannot dial in the proper distance. I don't have a lot of these, but the ones I do kill me.
I play on ps4. Doyley, or anyone, are your calculations of 150% + 2' still good?
Also burning the edges more now than before.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jul 1, 2015 9:36:31 GMT -5
Since the update, I am having a devil of a time on long putts. I either come up well short, or 15-20 feet by.(talking about 45-60'+ putts) I cannot dial in the proper distance. I don't have a lot of these, but the ones I do kill me. I play on ps4. Doyley, or anyone, are your calculations of 150% + 2' still good? Also burning the edges more now than before. I ain't having any problems using that formula Burning the edges is just a variance matter. You need to be consistantly burning the edges over thousands of holes for somethinf to be up. Over a small sample of 100 or so holes even the best or worst players can find themselves having an unusual amount just missing |
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