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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 10:53:44 GMT -5
Christie's rep has been destroyed by the bridgegate trial. He will be lucky to get Dept of Homeland security. Rudy absolutely will get the job of AG. I agree with you that reopening an email case would be a waste and is the wrong move, but the FBI is already investigating the Foundation, but they are doing so without the tools of being able to issue Subpoenas, give immunity, ect. The new AG will probably give them all they want for those investigations.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Nov 10, 2016 11:25:49 GMT -5
Reading over these 16 pages seems like we have some bad hombres here.
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 12:21:21 GMT -5
It is funny to see the same meme that went around in 2000 when Gore lost to Bush. People are crying, "Sign this petition and have the electoral college representatives NOT vote for Trump! We can still change this we just need you to support the cause and pressure these people to change their votes!"
Three things:
1. While there have been "faithless electors" in the past 153 in fact tho 1/2 changed their votes due to a candidate died before going into office, there has NEVER been an election changed because of them. Not a one.
2. There are two actual checks in the Constitution to stop this from happening. Regardless of what the electoral vote is, Congress has to certify them and could technically change the results, but once again, that has NEVER happened either. Also Congress is GoP so even if these people were successful, Congress would never go for it, especially that it isn't a 2 vote difference or something as close.
3. The same people advocating this action, may or may not care that it flies directly in the face of the Constitution and over 240 years of peaceful election transitions. The very same people who are advocating to ignore the Constitution are the same people who are worrying that Trump will do the exact same thing. Kinda ironic, eh?
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Post by Airik3333 on Nov 10, 2016 13:30:29 GMT -5
Reasons I believe Clinton lost the election: 1) Obamacare - doesn't work - costing average people outrageous dollars to be insured.. 2) Jobs - Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin - these folks want jobs.. They want to work for a living.. Not live off the government.. 3) Obamas Liberal Policies - allowing men in the womens restroom is not the way most Americans want to go.. are liberals serious with this *#*# 4) bad polls/media lies - America leans left these days. Bad polling cost democrats. Many thought Clinton was a sure thing and simply did not vote.. 5) she is dishonest.. I think many got to the polls, saw the two names in front of them.. And went with Trump because they don't trust Hillary.. 6) Obamacare - Yes, it's that damn bad.. Liberals are protesting now.. LOL.. I bet half of the morons in the streets protesting didn't bother to vote.. Clinton lost democrat leaning states to Trump.. She lost the election.. Deal with it.. There is a reason the United States does not go with the popular vote - that reason is to keep major cities like LA - New York - Chicago from deciding the election for the entire country.. This will be my last post on politics in the TGC Forum.. I come here to get away from this shiat.. Have a great day  |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 15:28:18 GMT -5
Reasons I believe Clinton lost the election: 1) Obamacare - doesn't work - costing average people outrageous dollars to be insured.. 2) Jobs - Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin - these folks want jobs.. They want to work for a living.. Not live off the government.. 3) Obamas Liberal Policies - allowing men in the womens restroom is not the way most Americans want to go.. are liberals serious with this *#*# 4) bad polls/media lies - America leans left these days. Bad polling cost democrats. Many thought Clinton was a sure thing and simply did not vote.. 5) she is dishonest.. I think many got to the polls, saw the two names in front of them.. And went with Trump because they don't trust Hillary.. 6) Obamacare - Yes, it's that damn bad.. Liberals are protesting now.. LOL.. I bet half of the morons in the streets protesting didn't bother to vote.. Clinton lost democrat leaning states to Trump.. She lost the election.. Deal with it.. There is a reason the United States does not go with the popular vote - that reason is to keep major cities like LA - New York - Chicago from deciding the election for the entire country.. This will be my last post on politics in the TGC Forum.. I come here to get away from this shiat.. Have a great day You pretty much nailed it in your post. I would add that Hillary was just never likeable. There was never the excitement about her candidacy as there was for her husband. Her crowds were small and often times were smaller than the ones Bill had. They were definitely smaller than what Obama and Michelle got. Of the ones that were there, neutral reporters said the enthusiasm just wasn't there. 95% of the polling was wrong, mainly because there were many that supported Trump but because of the media backlash and the backlash they felt they would get from friends and family, they avoided pollsters or when they had no choice, lied. This is how Trump ended up with 29% Hispanics when the media was reporting no more than 10-12%. As you said, Hillary was just not a trustworthy candidate. She was caught lying time after time. Each time, rather than accepting that she got caught and apologizing, she apologized pretty much for getting caught then lied again by parsing words to try and show she was in the right all along. People saw through this web of lies. Finally Obamacare. Everything that Obama and his surrogates promised pretty much turned out to be false. It penalized middle income, hard working folks the most by increasing their costs and deductibles. The honest folk that wanted insurance and wanted to do it legally were hit with increases to their premiums by up to 150% (like my parents in Arizona) over the last 6 years. These people ended up paying for the health insurance of others. Worst part is a person right at the limit of $32k a year, had to turn down raises because they were getting subsidies for Obamacare. If they took the raise they would end up making less because they would lose those subsidies, so it discouraged people from making more money. My sister-in-law estimated she would have to make over 44k a year to just break even. That just isn't right. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 10, 2016 17:14:29 GMT -5
Polling is the only thing more inaccurate than a weatherman. In 2012 the polls thought it was going to be close but it wasn't even. No idea why anyone ever pays attention to those things.
It will be interesting to see how much the rates go up with insurance companies after a repeal. My biggest concern is my daughter having a pre-existing condition (type 1 diabetes) and what options she will have.
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 10, 2016 17:23:13 GMT -5
With my employer insurance that covers my wife and I, i presently pay $376 a month for max coverage that includes, health, dental, vision, accidental death insurance and long term disability buy up. Roughly around $4,600 a year. Not sure what to expect down the road but I'm ok with what I pay vs what I get since my wife and i have both used it a bit over the past year.
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 17:33:25 GMT -5
Polling is the only thing more inaccurate than a weatherman. In 2012 the polls thought it was going to be close but it wasn't even. No idea why anyone ever pays attention to those things. It will be interesting to see how much the rates go up with insurance companies after a repeal. My biggest concern is my daughter having a pre-existing condition (type 1 diabetes) and what options she will have. The reason rates went up was three fold. 1. Pre-existing conditions were now covered. 2. Policies that only insured against a couple things were disallowed and all policies had to have a mandatory 17 items they covered. 3. It was offered free to so many who didn't have it before. Now the Republicans have always said there were certain things about Obamacare that they liked, which includes pre-existing conditions. So I can believe that having insurance companies still have to cover pre-existing conditions would remain. Forcing people who are 65 to pay for a policy with maternity insurance probably will go. Allowing people to just buy catastrophic insurance will come back. Letting insurance companies compete across state lines to make it more competitive will also probably be instituted. There is also the legal ramifications, if you have an insurance policy now with your daughter, then it isn't considered a pre-existing condition anymore, if you stay with the same insurer. There are going to be many in your shoes so if the GOP were to take that out, I suspect a protracted legal battle, but I think they'll keep that provision in and do the other things I mentioned. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 10, 2016 17:38:08 GMT -5
There is a reason the United States does not go with the popular vote - that reason is to keep major cities like LA - New York - Chicago from deciding the election for the entire country.. How is that any different from the same 4/5 swing states deciding each and every election? People should accept the result, but it's not an unreasonable position that each and every vote should be equal. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 10, 2016 17:43:40 GMT -5
Polling is the only thing more inaccurate than a weatherman. In 2012 the polls thought it was going to be close but it wasn't even. No idea why anyone ever pays attention to those things. It will be interesting to see how much the rates go up with insurance companies after a repeal. My biggest concern is my daughter having a pre-existing condition (type 1 diabetes) and what options she will have. The reason rates went up was three fold. 1. Pre-existing conditions were now covered. 2. Policies that only insured against a couple things were disallowed and all policies had to have a mandatory 17 items they covered. 3. It was offered free to so many who didn't have it before. Now the Republicans have always said there were certain things about Obamacare that they liked, which includes pre-existing conditions. So I can believe that having insurance companies still have to cover pre-existing conditions would remain. Forcing people who are 65 to pay for a policy with maternity insurance probably will go. Allowing people to just buy catastrophic insurance will come back. Letting insurance companies compete across state lines to make it more competitive will also probably be instituted. There is also the legal ramifications, if you have an insurance policy now with your daughter, then it isn't considered a pre-existing condition anymore, if you stay with the same insurer. There are going to be many in your shoes so if the GOP were to take that out, I suspect a protracted legal battle, but I think they'll keep that provision in and do the other things I mentioned. My daughter is 27 y.o., she pays for her own insurance lol. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 10, 2016 17:45:04 GMT -5
ps - The Trump supporters going on about "whining Liberals" is about as funny as it comes.
In reality, the Donald is about as liberal as they come.
He's the ultimate capitalist, he has zero problem with immigration (he employs thousands of them and married two) and has zero issue with people saying that the **** they want to (himself included)
He masqueraded as a Conservative to win office, and people fell for it
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 17:57:31 GMT -5
There is a reason the United States does not go with the popular vote - that reason is to keep major cities like LA - New York - Chicago from deciding the election for the entire country.. How is that any different from the same 4/5 swing states deciding each and every election? People should accept the result, but it's not an unreasonable position that each and every vote should be equal. The difference is, states change allegiance. California has been rock steady Democrat but from 1968 to 1988 it went GOP for 20 years. In fact in its history it has gone GOP more than Democrat. Even New York went 40% GoP over its history. So regardless of how large populous states lean, it is still too much power if it was all based on popular vote. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 10, 2016 17:59:01 GMT -5
ps - The Trump supporters going on about "whining Liberals" is about as funny as it comes. In reality, the Donald is about as liberal as they come. He's the ultimate capitalist, he has zero problem with immigration (he employs thousands of them and married two) and has zero issue with people saying that the **** they want to (himself included) He masqueraded as a Conservative to win office, and people fell for it Those people who are out protesting need to stop. The election is over and the results are in. They need to accept that they did not get what they wanted and move on. I thought it was ridiculous when I saw that last night. What exactly are they protesting against - that they didn't get enough votes to win? That is whining IMO. They need to calm down, get a job and maybe GO VOTE themselves next time |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 10, 2016 18:16:13 GMT -5
I'm betting over 1/2 of them didn't vote but young people these days do love to protest.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 10, 2016 18:46:46 GMT -5
I'm betting over 1/2 of them didn't vote but young people these days do love to protest. Bad losers, smells bad. Also probably the same people who normally yaps on about how they love democracy and how we need to protect it.... |
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