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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 3, 2016 20:52:23 GMT -5
How could people actually vote for Hillary. It just blows my mind I get it. Honestly I do. I can even respect it... to a point. I mean if you really can't fathom a President Trump and don't believe in a third party candidate, people can convince themselves that 'all politicians are corrupt' and then hold their noses while voting for pretty much the most corrupt Presidential candidate ever to run for office. It isn't about liking or even condoning her actions. They rationalize it by saying, "she isn't Trump." Considering who Trump is and what he has said and done, I can understand it. The people who I can't understand are those who make excuses for Hillary's actions. Those that say, "it is no big deal" or "it's only emails." Worse yet, "it is a vast right-wing conspiracy." These people are either living in an alternate reality or have a problem facing it. All this is pretty simple. 1. Hillary believes she is above the law or that the law applies to others, not her. 2. She setup this whole email server because she wanted to use her Blackberry, because she had used one for years and loved the physical keys. Unfortunately there is precisely ONE Blackberry on this planet with enough security and encryption to be allowed to be used for top security emails and that belongs to President Obama. Hillary was denied one. This upset her so she found a way to use one anyway. She even had her people buy used Blackberries which were an older model type because she didn't like the newer version. She went through 8 of those, along with an Iphone, IPAD ect. 3. The secondary reason she setup her personal server is she didn't want people knowing her business. She wanted to email who she wanted for State Dept. business, personal business and Foundation business, and she didn't want anyone reading those emails unless SHE okayed it. This was not possible on a STATE.GOV email address, because anything sent/received from such an address would be subject to FOIA requests. As we have seen, she took all her emails with her when she left State, then had her staff go through them and then gave back only the ones she wanted to. She attempted to destroy the rest. As we also have found out, the FBI was able to get back many of the ones she deleted and found over 2000 so far that were work related and were deleted in violation of the Federal Records Act. The rest, were unrecoverable...until Anthony Weiner's laptop. Huma had them all, backed it up on that laptop and now the FBI has it.  Anyway, if you want to vote for Hillary to keep Trump out, then that makes you a misguided person, vote for a 3rd party candidate that better deserves your vote. If you are voting for her cause you believe she hasn't done anything wrong, then you are just a poor delusional person who probably really needs a nap for about 2 years. Or you are voting for her because you think Gary Johnson is weak, Jill Stein wants to cut the military in half and leave us vulnerable/defensless, Evan McMullin isn't on your ballot and you are in a state that does not have write ins, and you think Donald Trump is, well, Donald Trump. |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 3, 2016 21:17:50 GMT -5
Yea, i remember that testimony. Fair enough. The ironic part - "the government was not involved in any way" - when everyone is bashing how bad the government is at taking care of things. But ya gotta wonder - how do those government servers continue to get hacked if they are so secure? I'm just not sold that even those are much better than a gmail account either. That's another conversation for another time though The answer is simple. When you are the Government of the most powerful nation on Earth, everyone tries to hack you. If you know anything about security, you know the hackers are so often are 2 steps ahead of what exists today as they are constantly coming up with new stuff. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Nov 3, 2016 22:06:04 GMT -5
Yea, i remember that testimony. Fair enough. The ironic part - "the government was not involved in any way" - when everyone is bashing how bad the government is at taking care of things. But ya gotta wonder - how do those government servers continue to get hacked if they are so secure? I'm just not sold that even those are much better than a gmail account either. That's another conversation for another time though The answer is simple. When you are the Government of the most powerful nation on Earth, everyone tries to hack you. If you know anything about security, you know the hackers are so often are 2 steps ahead of what exists today as they are constantly coming up with new stuff. That's a given. |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 4, 2016 2:56:31 GMT -5
Not going to get into any further debate on trickle down economics. The concept is so simple, but a lifetime of indoctrination leaves some unable to grasp realities of economics. You claim those who oppose your point of view have been "indoctrinated" but you yourself are 100% convinced of your position and completely unwilling to debate it..... Yep, makes total sense that you'd vote for Herr Trump  As you said, in concept, in theory, it works. In the real world, not so much, because people are greedy. If you really want to see if trickle down works, go ask someone working 60 hours a week but barely earning enough to run their household how they're doing...... |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 4, 2016 3:01:41 GMT -5
How could people actually vote for Hillary. It just blows my mind How could people actually vote for Trump? Do they want diplomacy carried out on twitter @ 3am? Beauty Pageants on the White House Lawns? Ironically if either the Democrats or Republicans had put up a remotely sensible candidate this election would probably be over already As a non american i am somewhere between hysterical laughter and planning for the apocolypse |
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 4, 2016 5:41:36 GMT -5
How could people actually vote for Hillary. It just blows my mind How could people actually vote for Trump? Do they want diplomacy carried out on twitter @ 3am? Beauty Pageants on the White House Lawns? Ironically if either the Democrats or Republicans had put up a remotely sensible candidate this election would probably be over already As a non american i am somewhere between hysterical laughter and planning for the apocolypse Because he is so unqualified for office (and so will his aides be) that every instance will block him and end result is status quo while Clinton does know very well how to game the system and can freely carry out whatever agenda she has, including picking a fight with Putin. And continuing this line of thinking - the reason the FBI are going after Clinton hard is that they have enough dirt on Trump to impeach him many times over but know he will play ball while Clinton is much more slippery and therefore more dangerous. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 6:14:46 GMT -5
How could people actually vote for Hillary. It just blows my mind |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 4, 2016 7:33:14 GMT -5
In response to you Jacko I have heard some legitimate reasons people would vote for Trump. The biggest is the same on the other side who say, "She's not Trump." Well he's not Hillary.
There are many people out there on the Independent and GOP side who remember the Clintons and all the BS they have done over the last 30 years. For most Republicans it wasn't about the fact that Bill was having extra-marital affairs in the White House, but more that he note only lied about it, but then set out to destroy the lives of the women with whom he was having sex with. Remember he was either the Gov or President during these times and the people he was involved with were often subordinates. So that is the equivalent of a CEO getting it on with his employees. There is an imbalance of power in that relationship and Bill exploited it. Then it comes to Hillary who at first may not have known about Bill's infidelity (altho there are many who believe the Clintons have had an open marriage from the start with Hillary having an affair with Vince Foster during the time Bill was in the White House), well she eventually did find out about it and then STILL went out to destroy these women's lives.
Simply put the Clintons are slimy, unethical, liars and either a predator or an enabler. There have been many people who have either ended up dead or in jail directly or indirectly because of their support/association with the Clintons. They have no problem in using people until they are no longer needed or become a liability and then throwing them under the bus. I'm not saying Trump wouldn't or hasn't done this, but each time the Clintons have done it, it has become a scandal. They have so many 'scandals' over the last 30 years and each time something 'happens' and they get off without charges, whether it be crucial files 'disappearing' from an investigator's office, two boxes of her emails shipping from a warehouse to the State Dept suddenly disappearing or a 2 terrabyte hard drive containing emails from Bills time in office stolen from the National Archives.
Now you have all this coming out about the foundations and the fact her emails were hacked by five state agencies and the GoP are willing to accept a Trump over a person who could be blackmailed by countries like Russia/China/Iran. I can't say I blame em.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 4, 2016 7:42:24 GMT -5
How could people actually vote for Trump? Do they want diplomacy carried out on twitter @ 3am? Beauty Pageants on the White House Lawns? Ironically if either the Democrats or Republicans had put up a remotely sensible candidate this election would probably be over already As a non american i am somewhere between hysterical laughter and planning for the apocolypse Because he is so unqualified for office (and so will his aides be) that every instance will block him and end result is status quo while Clinton does know very well how to game the system and can freely carry out whatever agenda she has, including picking a fight with Putin. And continuing this line of thinking - the reason the FBI are going after Clinton hard is that they have enough dirt on Trump to impeach him many times over but know he will play ball while Clinton is much more slippery and therefore more dangerous. Interesting way of looking at it. But I don't think many Trump voters believe a vote for the Donald is a vote for the status quo!  |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 4, 2016 9:15:01 GMT -5
Because he is so unqualified for office (and so will his aides be) that every instance will block him and end result is status quo while Clinton does know very well how to game the system and can freely carry out whatever agenda she has, including picking a fight with Putin. And continuing this line of thinking - the reason the FBI are going after Clinton hard is that they have enough dirt on Trump to impeach him many times over but know he will play ball while Clinton is much more slippery and therefore more dangerous. Interesting way of looking at it. But I don't think many Trump voters believe a vote for the Donald is a vote for the status quo! The FBI cannot impeach anyone, so i think you mean indict but even then the FBI can't do that either. Congress has to do the impeaching and the DoJ does the indicting. Clinton is the very definition of the 'status quo' in Washington. She is everything that people despise about Washington politics. She represents the corrupt, seedy underbelly of an elite, secretive society. |
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 4, 2016 9:15:17 GMT -5
Because he is so unqualified for office (and so will his aides be) that every instance will block him and end result is status quo while Clinton does know very well how to game the system and can freely carry out whatever agenda she has, including picking a fight with Putin. And continuing this line of thinking - the reason the FBI are going after Clinton hard is that they have enough dirt on Trump to impeach him many times over but know he will play ball while Clinton is much more slippery and therefore more dangerous. Interesting way of looking at it. But I don't think many Trump voters believe a vote for the Donald is a vote for the status quo! Sure - people will vote for Trump because they are not happy with the current state of affairs and don't like Clinton. However, status quo is what they would get, the way I see it play out. And I think we can assume that the guys running the FBI are reasonably intelligent people so not a large chance they actually think Trump would make a great president. So there is another agenda there... |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Nov 4, 2016 9:17:26 GMT -5
Remember he was either the Gov or President during these times and the people he was involved with were often subordinates. So that is the equivalent of a CEO getting it on with his employees. There is an imbalance of power in that relationship and Bill exploited it. Because the Donald has never done anything like that himself..... Let's face it, all this stuff (on both sides) is just noise. They are both dreadful human beings who have done dreadful things and probably belong in prison - we could argue about who is worse forever and a day and never agree. So, if I had a vote, I would simply ask myself A/ Which one do I think is more capable/can do the better job and B/ Who do I want to be the figurehead for the US globally for the next 4 years. And frankly, on both counts, Trump loses. There's a reason Putin wants him in the White House so badly - because it weakens the US significantly to have a joke president who hasn't got a clue about world affairs. |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 4, 2016 9:20:01 GMT -5
Glad you could vote for either of them. I personally believe the only true vote is someone other than Trump/Clinton. Lincoln was a third party candidate. We gotta get out of this two party mentality.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 4, 2016 11:02:40 GMT -5
Interesting way of looking at it. But I don't think many Trump voters believe a vote for the Donald is a vote for the status quo! The FBI cannot impeach anyone, so i think you mean indict but even then the FBI can't do that either. Congress has to do the impeaching and the DoJ does the indicting. Clinton is the very definition of the 'status quo' in Washington. She is everything that people despise about Washington politics. She represents the corrupt, seedy underbelly of an elite, secretive society. Thanks for putting the details straight. Does not change anything in principle. If the details are correct it's not a proper conspiracy theory. And status quo maybe bad choice of words - meant that Trump probably won't get much of anything done while Clinton sadly will, but you already understood that. |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 4, 2016 11:08:08 GMT -5
The FBI cannot impeach anyone, so i think you mean indict but even then the FBI can't do that either. Congress has to do the impeaching and the DoJ does the indicting. Clinton is the very definition of the 'status quo' in Washington. She is everything that people despise about Washington politics. She represents the corrupt, seedy underbelly of an elite, secretive society. Thanks for putting the details straight. Does not change anything in principle. If the details are correct it's not a proper conspiracy theory. And status quo maybe bad choice of words - meant that Trump probably won't get much of anything done while Clinton sadly will, but you already understood that. Let me throw this at you then. It is being reported that on Huma's laptop are notes that show that Huma, Hillary and her camp absolutely knew Anthony Weiner was sexting underage girls and did nothing about it. In short it wasn't about those underage women, it was about protecting Huma and in connection, protecting Hillary. How any campaign could have knowledge of such an act and say absolutely NOTHING to the authorities is beyond reprehensible and does not deserve to be rewarded with the Presidency of the United States...even if Trump is the alternative. |
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