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Post by joegolferg on Sept 29, 2016 12:41:33 GMT -5
But since when has shooting unarmed people ever been ok? Obviously the majority of officers are law abiding and do a good job, but I also think that these minority of officers who think they are above the law sort of set off a trend of their own. That's not what you said AT ALL in your opening post. The overwhelming majority of these "unarmed" people aren't unarmed at all...that's just what people are initially led to believe. You're either a troll (which is seeming more and more likely) or, as stated before, you are completely ignorant of the issues and facts of what you're talking about. Not sure who said it was an overwhelming majority of unarmed people. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 12:59:15 GMT -5
That's not what you said AT ALL in your opening post. The overwhelming majority of these "unarmed" people aren't unarmed at all...that's just what people are initially led to believe. You're either a troll (which is seeming more and more likely) or, as stated before, you are completely ignorant of the issues and facts of what you're talking about. Not sure who said it was an overwhelming majority of unarmed people. Reading comprehension is your friend. If I have to explain the comment and context to you then it's pointless anyways. I'm not overly sensitive about the topic at all...but I do believe in "time and place." There are literally thousands of forums where you can choose to discuss this and be as inflammatory as you want to be. Instead you chose a website dedicated to an online golf game? Seriously? If this was something you were truly concerned about you would have posted on one of other said forums or at least tried to find a different way to word your opening remarks. You did neither. You chose to make a statement that you knew for a fact would get strong rebuttal. What I do care about is the health and welfare of this community. There are absolutely some topics that should just be left alone here. Obviously you're going to be the guy that tries to find ways to stir crap up even when you don't have the first clue about what you're talking about. Have at it, man. If the owners and moderators of this site want the legacy of TGCT to be people like you driving a wedge into the community then that's their choice. <insert golf clap here> You win, man. I'm done with it, so, by all means, prattle on.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 13:10:47 GMT -5
But since when has shooting unarmed people ever been ok? Obviously the majority of officers are law abiding and do a good job, but I also think that these minority of officers who think they are above the law sort of set off a trend of their own. There was a guy in Florida who was high on bath salts that was eating another man's face. He had no weapon. He got shot. I would say in that case it was pretty freaking justified. How about guys who have been beating the living crap out of their wives in a domestic violence incident and then charge at police officers? You want to say an officer's life isn't potentially at risk then? This isn't as black and white as some activists want to pretend that it is. |
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Post by TreeWood on Sept 30, 2016 0:24:04 GMT -5
I didn't call for anybody to censor anything, but, yes, I did tag Doyley to make him aware that the thread was here. It's cool to be able to have conversations that are about things besides golf, but this topic is a can of worms best left alone on these forums, and, as a logical adult, you should know that. At the very least you should have worded your original post differently. There are several contributing members here that work in law enforcement. Whether you agree or not, your post was a slap in the face to all of them. We already have enough drama on this board without this being a topic to delve into. It may or may not be your intent to cause trouble, but this is a topic (to Americans at least) that tends to get very personal and heated in a hurry. It's a VERY polarizing issue that this community as whole in no way needs, especially when you lead with your opening post that is absent of anything factual. What it did show is that you are truly ignorant of the actual issue and facts at hand. You tried to stir the pot in Taste's "If I were president thread", and I left it alone. This honestly needs to be left alone entirely. Many here can't have a civil debate about an online computer game, but having a debate about race issues in the US will turn out better? Griff, I agree with you that the OP was reactionary, and well beyond the pale in terms of making sweeping allegations that serve only to fan the flames of discontent when it comes to the issues being confronted within American society, and law enforcement authorities in the US. But I completely disagree that the answer here, or ever, is to make a topic taboo. I firmly believe that it's the free and unfettered exchange of ideas and opinions that provokes thought, and ultimately leads to a more informed and engaged civil society, one that is capable of achieving consensus. There most definitely is a conversation to be had here in an off-topic forum, just as there is around the water cooler, among friends, in academic settings, between politicians, civic leaders, and other stakeholders in the future of the US. The key in all of this is that too often the various voices are TALKING AT their audience, instead of SPEAKING WITH them. And that's down to one simple factor: respect. That's where the OP went wrong from the start. I'd also say that having an opposing view doesn't necessarily mean one is disrespectful, or that dissenting opinions need to be stifled. In my experience, resolving differences can be done through respectful discussion, but it will never be achieved through enforced silence. Repressing fear, distrust, and anger can only end badly. Just my .02 worth... |
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Post by tastegw on Sept 30, 2016 10:03:28 GMT -5
I have read some very good points from many of you here in this thread. One thing many naive people fail to realize about this whole police vs civilian thing is how the media has spun it in such a way to get a rise out of everyone. The media tries its best to make it a race war, because that is easier to cover, it gets viewers, it sells advertising. It also hurts the country and its sad that our officials can't put a stop to it. The media wants you to believe its a "white cop vs black man" thing, and while that may be true in very limited occasions, it does not tell the entire story. The media is quick to point out "white cop" "white cop" but if it was somebody who wasnt white, you dont read about it until way the story is about done, it doesnt make the headline, they simply remove "white" from "white cop", its very rare for the media to have "black cop shot black man" in the title, i have actually never seen it posted like that, but i have not read/seen every story from every paper/headline either. Is there racism here in the US, yes, its a worldwide problem. Are there racist cops here in the US, yes, just like every other profession, there are bad apples. Is there institutional racism at our police departments? no, but the media wants you to believe otherwise. The 6 year old boy who got shot and killed by police is a terrible tragedy, but if that is all you know about the case, then you could jump to wrong conclusions. It was a white boy, and the police did not know he was in a vehicle that they were shooting at, that is not an excuse by any stretch of the imagination and I am glad those two officers who were too quick to draw and shoot are now behind bars. --------------------- with all that said, since some of these stories are making national news, for example, the tulsa shooting, the video I saw, its pretty damn disturbing. car breaks down in middle of road, that is what starts the conflict. we do not have video from that point until the police arrive, but we do have video after the police get there. A man is seen with his hands up walking back to his vehicle, even though his hands were up, it does not appear he was doing what he was told. but what we dont know is why guns were drawn in the first place. after the man arrives at his window, the cops say they see him reaching in his window and a lady officer guns him down, while another officer shoots him with a taser. The voices heard from both the ground officers and the helicopter, especially the helicopter, what was said was very disgusting. they called that man a "thing" a "bad dude" and other odd comments that would normally not been said about anyone other than a black man. what gets me, is the window was actually not down, it was rolled up.  the same shot that I screen grabbed from the actual video is below:  The window is clearly rolled up, you can see the blood that is running down it. you can also see the reflection coming off the window from top to bottom. these highly trained officers in this instance, saw what they wanted to see, not what was actually real. the lady officer, i hope this haunts her for the rest of her life. |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 30, 2016 10:06:22 GMT -5
The story I was referring to in the OP was a black policeman beating a black homeless man. Savage.
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Post by tastegw on Sept 30, 2016 10:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 30, 2016 10:21:44 GMT -5
What? I condemn all police brutality, as my twitter timeline proves, especially in my own country. But it's hard to ignore killings committed by American police recently as it not only dominates mainstream media but also social media. |
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Post by tastegw on Sept 30, 2016 10:26:58 GMT -5
What? I condemn all police brutality, as my twitter timeline proves, especially in my own country. But it's hard to ignore killings committed by American police recently as it not only dominates mainstream media but also social media. im confused. you open the thread using a beating as your example, talking about American policing. now that i bring up the uk video, you change to killings. bad cops are everywhere, the media is responsible for blowing it out of proportion here in the states. |
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Post by joegolferg on Sept 30, 2016 10:31:09 GMT -5
What? I condemn all police brutality, as my twitter timeline proves, especially in my own country. But it's hard to ignore killings committed by American police recently as it not only dominates mainstream media but also social media. im confused. you open the thread using a beating as your example, talking about American policing. now that i bring up the uk video, you change to killings. bad cops are everywhere, the media is responsible for blowing it out of proportion here in the states. My OP was following on from the recent killings...... It's the latest in police brutality from the US. Feel free to share UK police brutality, it's not a competition to me. |
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Post by NCFCRulz on Sept 30, 2016 14:07:20 GMT -5
im confused. you open the thread using a beating as your example, talking about American policing. now that i bring up the uk video, you change to killings. bad cops are everywhere, the media is responsible for blowing it out of proportion here in the states. My OP was following on from the recent killings...... It's the latest in police brutality from the US. Feel free to share UK police brutality, it's not a competition to me. it's a problem everywhere. If you get 10 incidents a year then that's 10 bad eggs but out of how many hundreds of thousands of cops? It's well under 0.01% of cops. Less than 1 in 50,000 and I'm not saying that its right by any stretch but the media want you to think it's like 1 in 20 and it's simply not the case. |
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