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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 15, 2016 13:26:37 GMT -5
Fixed it for ya. On a more serious note, I would be moderately opposed, to be perfectly honest. As an American, my interest is in the PGA Tour: I know the courses, I know the tournaments, and I know the players much better. It also doesn't make much real-life sense, given that the PGA Tour is indisputably the top tour in the world, based on money and prestige. I wouldn't leave if forced to play the Euro Tour, but I would not be in favor of the move. Of course, you guys have the strength in numbers, and I can understand wanting to play on your home continent. It's a primary reason I want to stick to PGA. This whole thread was to appease 'the numbers ' So inadvertently uv sed the no1 tour is the European so come across an' enjoy lol By "you guys," I meant Ian, Bradley, Brian, and Bryan. There seems to be a Big Five at the moment, although Ian has as many (or more) wins this year as the other four of us combined, I think. I'm the only American of the group, as well as its only PGA card holder, so they have strength in numbers compared to me. The other 200 or so guys who are in the top tours have much more power to dictate how this all shakes out, though. |
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Post by t2theb2 on Sept 15, 2016 13:26:47 GMT -5
I disagree with Wags here about the Euro and PGA not having equal status unless the top tour combined all of the major events. Maybe instead of calling it the PGA it would be called something else because it should include The Open and other major European events Fair point. For what it's worth, I'd prefer giving PGA players a handful of crossover opportunities to take a break from the grind or to play in the premier Euro events. I like Oswinner's proposed WGR multipliers in that context, as well. Sounds like how we had it at the start |
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Post by jarednich on Sept 15, 2016 13:26:55 GMT -5
If this was real life you would play the majority of your golf on PGA. In real life, PGA>Euro. The money is there, and money outweighs WGR for those guys. Here, Euro>PGA (it's fairly close) because money is meaningless, WGR is similar on both tours, and as it so happens, there are many top players that are European. Here, most people play on the euro tour because there European That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying that doesn't really mimic real life. I think you'll still win plenty either way this shakes out.  |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 13:27:53 GMT -5
So we want to mimic real life but Europeans cant play on the European tour  If this was real life you would play the majority of your golf on PGA. In real life, PGA>Euro. The money is there, and money outweighs WGR for those guys. Here, Euro>PGA (it's fairly close) because money is meaningless, WGR is similar on both tours, and as it so happens, there are many top players that are European. In real life players have a choice, not forced. Simple |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 13:28:42 GMT -5
The guys most against any change are the most vocal in this thread have been the top players. As Scott has said, he'd really love to hear more from the minions, (like me) ranked in the bottom half of the tours to gauge your opinion. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". As to those who thinks WGR rankings will be significantly different come TGC2, have you not played video games your whole life?? The best will continue to be the best. (Hats off to them) And, IMO, with the introduction of new levels of swing difficulty, they will master the hardest levels and have an even bigger advantage.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 15, 2016 13:30:28 GMT -5
Fair point. For what it's worth, I'd prefer giving PGA players a handful of crossover opportunities to take a break from the grind or to play in the premier Euro events. I like Oswinner's proposed WGR multipliers in that context, as well. Sounds like how we had it at the start More or less, yeah, except the two tours wouldn't be "equal," as they were originally intended. |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 15, 2016 13:30:49 GMT -5
This is not how stenson or mcilroy won the r2d tho eh? They both played more European events or 'av i just made that up lol Let's look at this year then... Stenson played 14 PGA and 12 Euro Rory played 17 PGA and 11 Euro So maybe yes, you 'av made that up. Thats this year .Who won the r2d this yr ?I've been sleep and 'av no idea even if its over yet hahaha |
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 15, 2016 13:32:28 GMT -5
Steve, the point of my post is I'm seeing both sides of the argument. I'm the guy who would be considered elite who stands little chance anymore of beating the elite. I don't want to punish people like Ian and Brad to put them on a tour where there is only 30 or 50 people. That doesn't reflect real golf or the real tournaments that TGCT has tried to mirror here. At the same time I see those that are on the PGA, outside the top 30,40,50 that truly feel they are just showing up for a 'participation' award. They play week in and week out for what? You are right the people in the WEB and CC tours, this isn't about them, not at least until they get good enough to be creamed by 1% of the total population on the server. As Doyley said, 75% of the wins on both tours went to one guy. 20% to people within the top 10, the remaining 5% went to the rest of the field. Not everyone has the time to 'put in the time' to get as good as the elite here. They may want to but just simply can't with real life. How long do you think those people will stick around and play on a site that offers them no real money and such just to barely make the cut but never crack the top 5 or 10? I think one season is the answer to that question. There are a myriad of possibilities, more tours, "for fun tours" / "competitive tours" / "more flights" but all those equate to a tonne more work of the admin so they are probably not viable. All I was saying was that I was torn because I see the 'big picture'. I don't want to punish the elite but know that for the most part I stand no chance against them. It is quite the quandary. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 13:33:39 GMT -5
Here, most people play on the euro tour because there European That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying that doesn't really mimic real life. I think you'll still win plenty either way this shakes out. For me its about the rivalry the pga/euro guys have, that's why majors wgcs and now ryder cup are so enjoyable, put everyone in one tour it would become boring fast IMO.
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 15, 2016 13:35:27 GMT -5
I'm a low level Euro player (100% cuts made, 100% small checks) and I LOVE be destroyed by Ian. Now you sound like T2theB2 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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Post by jarednich on Sept 15, 2016 13:37:49 GMT -5
I LOVE be destroyed by Ian. There has got to be a better way to phrase that. |
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Post by t2theb2 on Sept 15, 2016 13:38:36 GMT -5
Sounds like how we had it at the start More or less, yeah, except the two tours wouldn't be "equal," as they were originally intended. It's tricky as there is a plenty of Europeans that would like to stay on the euro. I also understand peoples frustration like brownie but I don't understand why they don't go back down to the Web. I play plenty of sports in real life and in most sports I come across players who play in leagues and divisions ect. above their skill level, but they enjoy that they are playing amongst the best and then there are other players I come across who like to feel they can win so they end up dropping back to a level they are comfortable with. Never do I they make a new super league or anything like that. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 15, 2016 13:38:44 GMT -5
I don't want to self demote to web, but i want a win can you kick all the good players out the euro so
i can win PLZ.
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Post by vixenvikki on Sept 15, 2016 13:41:03 GMT -5
Since you wanted imput from other players outside of the Elite, Well here are my 2 cents....i love this game, i just do not have the time to play much / practice and therefore go directly into tournament play, my world ranking is about 360 but my aim is to play more, practice more, improve my game and then compete against the best players there are on the tours, i believe the likes of Ian, smurf, brad etc are exceptional at this game because of the time they have previously put into it...it is a fact that whatever sport you play, practice will never make your game worse, if this is directed at players outside of the " ELITE " who believe they should be competing to win every week then there is nothing stopping them from practicing more, asking for tips, live gameplay, watching streams etc.... You guys do a fantastic job, but all the changes, improvements you have made through the last 2 seasons have all been aimed at mimicking real life....and you should not shy away from this, in my opinion...sorry but i believe this is all happening because of Ian's dominance, but if you were to survey all the players ranked WGR 75 downwards, i bet most would say i have spent hours, playing, improving, making my way through the tours, now i have earned my right to play against the best....please do not take that away from the many
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 13:41:04 GMT -5
Better idea
Leave everything the way it is and give PGA & EURO players who feel they cant compete an option to volutary demote themselves. Stockpile the web with these players and let the quality trickle down the CC.
The players who want things like "elite" tours or throwin all the top players in 1 tour so they hav a chance of winning dont deserve the title of a PGA or EURO player IMO.
So if u wanna have a chance of winnin or competin and u cant do it on PGA or EURO then take a relegation or 2 and find a level where u are competitive.
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