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Post by t2theb2 on Sept 15, 2016 13:41:06 GMT -5
I'm a low level Euro player (100% cuts made, 100% small checks) and I LOVE be destroyed by Ian. Now you sound like T2theB2 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Who are you? Never seen trowelhead on a leadeboard. Do you play in the Web mate? |
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Post by NCFCRulz on Sept 15, 2016 13:41:47 GMT -5
TLDR but the OP made me post. This has been me consistantly the entire last season. Constantly between 50-100 WGR and finishing anywhere between 10th-50th most weeks. However will I win a tourny, no, not a chance. You are Spon on when you say that whilst I can compete on the tour, will I ever win a tournament, no, and it's not because I'm not.that good it's because the game is far easier than really life at being consistant. Look at Speith, will Bradley etc ever have a run of a few tournies where they cant make top 10, never, because it's too easy to maintain consistency. I have become disillusioned due to this I think and whilst it's nobodies fault I find it harder week after week to complete rounds when I already know roughly where I'm going to finish before a ball is hit! We were all in this spot. If it matter so much then u need to put the effort in to get better like the top players did. In my 1st few months on here i prob averaged a 40-50th place finish. Then after some hard graft managed a 2nd on the PGA. This gave me the confidence that i cud cut it at that level. The standards on here have risen in time and it has taken alot of dedictaion from the top players to rise with it. So my point is if it really bothers u about ur avr finishing position then do something about it. If u cant be arsed doin something about it then u cant complain. granted I probably don't do enough but I do wonder what more I can do..! My distances are nailed in, I suppose the only way I would improve is practice more as there's nothing more to learn as such. Yardages are known for all clubs all lofts all wind and all height differences. Guess practice for the roll outs and putting are where I'm missing out. But... Also bare in mind that there is only a very elite group able to put that sort of time in AND already have a decent ability in the game. You don't want to alienate the more casual player like myself because I can't practice x hours a week so I have to settle for a more mediocre boring tour. There has to be ways to spice it up for all IMO |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 15, 2016 13:42:39 GMT -5
Now you sound like T2theB2 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Who are you? Never seen trowelhead on a leadeboard. Do you play in the Web mate? You av 2 scroll aloooooooong way down mate hahaha |
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Post by mde8965 on Sept 15, 2016 13:42:53 GMT -5
Why not leave PGA and Euro as is and incorporate a faster demotion system. Add the tiers to The Web level. Making it easier to get demoted to web1 from PGA or Euro and let the numbers take care of themselves. (I.e. Fewer total in PGA and Euro). Weed out the "pretenders" and the less dedicated as the elite guys elude. Maybe with 3 web tiers or stepping stones to the big leagues (PGA/EURO) with the web tiers similar to A to AAA in baseball. And the CC folks being Busch league.
And let the demotions happen as much from inactivity as from poor play. Instead of people getting to the top tiers then cherry picking their events. Let the demotions be based on 5-10 week average earnings or something?
Sorry to butt in on a topic that does not concern me now but hopefully will one day
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Post by Giraffe72 on Sept 15, 2016 13:43:51 GMT -5
Coming from someone who has recently qualified for the European Tour, has just broken in to the top 200 WGR and has ambitions to push on in to the top 100 next season, I am against this idea. Yes, I currently have no chance of winning an event but as I see it the challenge is to keep improving to the point where I am at least competitive. One of my aims next season is to get a top 10 in a proper event, if you take all the top players out that would become meaningless. Plus it doesn't seem right, just because Ian Sweeney and a few others are so consistently good, to banish them away to their own tour just because people are throwing their toys out the pram that they can't win any more. Where's it going to end? Ian wins 80% of the Elite Tour events so he's got to go and play on his own in a special Ian Sweeney Tour?
The best thing about TGCT is the career mode it gives the game, and how it does its best to mirror the real thing. If you're good enough to win CC events and make it to the Web, and then good enough to win in the Web and make it to a Pro Tour, then you're good enough to play with the big boys. In fact that should be everybody's ambition, to mix it with the best players in the game. I was leading after the first round of one event this season, even ahead of Mr Sweeney, and although I then had a shocking second round and wasn't far off missing the cut (!) it was one of the highlights of a very enjoyable season.
The problem is you are always going to have different levels within the pro tours, making an Elite Tour will just shift the line a bit. The only way to stop that happening is to introduce demotions during the season, maybe not the same as in CC but something where if someone is consistently struggling they go down a level. Otherwise, if you're in the PGA or Euro Tour and making cuts against the best players in the game then quit whining, you're doing alright!
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 13:43:58 GMT -5
We were all in this spot. If it matter so much then u need to put the effort in to get better like the top players did. In my 1st few months on here i prob averaged a 40-50th place finish. Then after some hard graft managed a 2nd on the PGA. This gave me the confidence that i cud cut it at that level. The standards on here have risen in time and it has taken alot of dedictaion from the top players to rise with it. So my point is if it really bothers u about ur avr finishing position then do something about it. If u cant be arsed doin something about it then u cant complain. granted I probably don't do enough but I do wonder what more I can do..! My distances are nailed in, I suppose the only way I would improve is practice more as there's nothing more to learn as such. Yardages are known for all clubs all lofts all wind and all height differences. Guess practice for the roll outs and putting are where I'm missing out. But... Also bare in mind that there is only a very elite group able to put that sort of time in AND already have a decent ability in the game. You don't want to alienate the more casual player like myself because I can't practice x hours a week so I have to settle for a more mediocre boring tour. There has to be ways to spice it up for all IMO Like i said a few mins ago, players who cant compete on PGA or EURO and want to be able to feel competitive should take a demotion or 2 to find their level. |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 13:45:22 GMT -5
He just want to herd yous all together so a higher % of players can have a realistic chance of winning But it would hav the opposite effect on this "elite" tour. Some players that are capable of winning a PGA event now wud hav no chance in an elite tour currently. But the main part that seems to be missin from this debate is were gonna be playin a brand new game. So the "elite" cud look quiet different. I personally think everything shud be left alone on the pro tours for all of season 3 and then if theres a big issue fix it for season 4. Nothing will change for season 3 - status quo. This is all post tgc2 talk |
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 15, 2016 13:45:44 GMT -5
Great read .. Helping me pass the time at work..
My .02 cents
I like the Elite Tour idea.. I am surprised that some of the elite folks complaining don't want all TGC players on the same tour so they can beat down everyone.. Ian Sweeney might have won last week but he didn't beat me.. I'm on the CC Tour baby.. Ha.. I would think being called Elite and Playing in an Elite tour of the best 50 in the world would be thrilling.. Not to mention designers could design some crazy tough courses for you guys to compete on.. Firm and Fast Target golf with pool table sized landing areas..
I don't like making the Euro a lesser tour than the PGA idea..
I can't wait for all the "Keep TGCTours on TGC1 post" that will happen when TGC2 comes out.. When an original game is so popular, rarely does the second version live up to the hype..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 13:47:02 GMT -5
Steve, the point of my post is I'm seeing both sides of the argument. I'm the guy who would be considered elite who stands little chance anymore of beating the elite. I don't want to punish people like Ian and Brad to put them on a tour where there is only 30 or 50 people. That doesn't reflect real golf or the real tournaments that TGCT has tried to mirror here. At the same time I see those that are on the PGA, outside the top 30,40,50 that truly feel they are just showing up for a 'participation' award. They play week in and week out for what? You are right the people in the WEB and CC tours, this isn't about them, not at least until they get good enough to be creamed by 1% of the total population on the server.  As Doyley said, 75% of the wins on both tours went to one guy. 20% to people within the top 10, the remaining 5% went to the rest of the field. Not everyone has the time to 'put in the time' to get as good as the elite here. They may want to but just simply can't with real life. How long do you think those people will stick around and play on a site that offers them no real money and such just to barely make the cut but never crack the top 5 or 10? I think one season is the answer to that question. There are a myriad of possibilities, more tours, "for fun tours" / "competitive tours" / "more flights" but all those equate to a tonne more work of the admin so they are probably not viable. All I was saying was that I was torn because I see the 'big picture'. I don't want to punish the elite but know that for the most part I stand no chance against them. It is quite the quandary. Ron, if you really want to look at the big picture then, theoretically, it comes down to just one thing. Prestige. How good you are relative to everybody else. If John Doe is in either PGA or Euro, since both are apparently the same status around here, and he's never won against these top guys and you put those top guys in their own elite tier, and John Doe happens to win an event, how much actual prestige do you REALLY think he's going to feel? 1) For starters, as a member of PGA/Euro, which at one time was the top tiers and what we all strive for, he is no longer in the top tier. He might as well have just demoted himself to Web. He's not at the top anymore. He is a second class golfer just like I am playing in Web. 2) His victory is at least partially hollow. Who did he beat? Did he beat the best? No. So how much has his prestige increased? Does he really feel that much better? The ONLY reason I would feel good about a Web victory is not for the victory itself but the fact that I am FINALLY good enough to compete in the PGA. I mean THAT is the goal, is it not? Sure, we want to win. But you rather play in the PGA and not win or go down to Web and win? Would you accept that demotion in status? Because ultimately, by creating an elite tier, you are demoting the status of all other PGA/Euro members. They are no longer among the best. They're not much better than us Web scrubs. That's the reality. So when you REALLY dive into the psychology of all this, who exactly is going to be happier with this proposed solution? Because you know what? The first time one of these PGA/Euro guys says to me "I finally won an event" know what I'm gonna ask 'em? Where was Ian? Where was Bradley? Hell, where was the whole freaking top 50? How good you REALLY think they're gonna feel? As a long time student of psychology, I can tell you EXACTLY how most people would feel. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 13:47:27 GMT -5
But it would hav the opposite effect on this "elite" tour. Some players that are capable of winning a PGA event now wud hav no chance in an elite tour currently. But the main part that seems to be missin from this debate is were gonna be playin a brand new game. So the "elite" cud look quiet different. I personally think everything shud be left alone on the pro tours for all of season 3 and then if theres a big issue fix it for season 4. Nothing will change for season 3 - status quo. This is all post tgc2 talk Ye i get that but on another thread u illuded to a short S3 so my thoughts are for when TGC 2 drops assumin its incorporated by TGCT reasonably quickly or at any stage really. |
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Post by t2theb2 on Sept 15, 2016 13:49:10 GMT -5
We were all in this spot. If it matter so much then u need to put the effort in to get better like the top players did. In my 1st few months on here i prob averaged a 40-50th place finish. Then after some hard graft managed a 2nd on the PGA. This gave me the confidence that i cud cut it at that level. The standards on here have risen in time and it has taken alot of dedictaion from the top players to rise with it. So my point is if it really bothers u about ur avr finishing position then do something about it. If u cant be arsed doin something about it then u cant complain. granted I probably don't do enough but I do wonder what more I can do..! My distances are nailed in, I suppose the only way I would improve is practice more as there's nothing more to learn as such. Yardages are known for all clubs all lofts all wind and all height differences. Guess practice for the roll outs and putting are where I'm missing out. But... Also bare in mind that there is only a very elite group able to put that sort of time in AND already have a decent ability in the game. You don't want to alienate the more casual player like myself because I can't practice x hours a week so I have to settle for a more mediocre boring tour. There has to be ways to spice it up for all IMO You don't need to play this game everyday to compete, I showed this a few weeks ago after barely playing the game for a while. Everybody has played this game enough now I would of thought. The problem why people don't get better is they don't learn from their mistakes. People keep playing the same way and wondering why they don't improve. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 15, 2016 13:49:13 GMT -5
Why not leave PGA and Euro as is and incorporate a faster demotion system. Add the tiers to The Web level. Making it easier to get demoted to web1 from PGA or Euro and let the numbers take care of themselves. (I.e. Fewer total in PGA and Euro). Weed out the "pretenders" and the less dedicated as the elite guys elude. Maybe with 3 web tiers or stepping stones to the big leagues (PGA/EURO) with the web tiers similar to A to AAA in baseball. And the CC folks being Busch league. And let the demotions happen as much from inactivity as from poor play. Instead of people getting to the top tiers then cherry picking their events. Let the demotions be based on 5-10 week average earnings or something? Sorry to butt in on a topic that does not concern me now but hopefully will one day Good post that. Sounds good. |
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 15, 2016 13:49:34 GMT -5
granted I probably don't do enough but I do wonder what more I can do..! My distances are nailed in, I suppose the only way I would improve is practice more as there's nothing more to learn as such. Yardages are known for all clubs all lofts all wind and all height differences. Guess practice for the roll outs and putting are where I'm missing out. But... Also bare in mind that there is only a very elite group able to put that sort of time in AND already have a decent ability in the game. You don't want to alienate the more casual player like myself because I can't practice x hours a week so I have to settle for a more mediocre boring tour. There has to be ways to spice it up for all IMO Like i said a few mins ago, players who cant compete on PGA or EURO and want to be able to feel competitive should take a demotion or 2 to find their level. That's kinda unfair to those Web folks who may want to get to the PGA/Euro but now have to contend with a flood of players who made it to the PGA/Euro... And Tom that isn't true. Every person has a skill set curve. Lets say Ian is a 10. A person starting may go quickly through levels 1-7. The higher you go the harder it is to advance to the next level. Another person may take longer to go through 1-7. It is cause they are a faster learner or learned from their mistakes quicker? Not always. Everyone is different. If it was a simple as you put it then everyone who puts in the same amount of time as Ian or you .. and who learns from their mistakes should be as good as you and Ian, but that isn't the way the world works. Some people will be naturally better at game that requires dexterity, hand/eye coordination, mathematical skill, ect, than others. |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 15, 2016 13:49:40 GMT -5
Great read .. Helping me pass the time at work.. My .02 cents I like the Elite Tour idea.. I am surprised some of the elite folks complaining don't want all TGC players on the same tour so they can beat down everyone.. Ian Sweeney might have won last week but he didn't beat me.. I'm on the CC Tour baby.. Ha.. I would think being called Elite and Playing in an Elite tour of the best 50 in the world would be thrilling.. Not to mention designers could design some crazy tough courses for you guys to compete on.. Firm and Fast Target golf with pool table sized landing areas.. I don't like making the Euro a lesser tour than the PGA idea.. I can't wait for all the "Keep TGCTours on TGC1 post" that will happen when TGC2 comes out.. When an original game is so popular, rarely does the second version live up to the hype.. Pool table they're already at tennis racket size  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 13:50:31 GMT -5
Better idea Leave everything the way it is and give PGA & EURO players who feel they cant compete an option to volutary demote themselves. Stockpile the web with these players and let the quality trickle down the CC. The players who want things like "elite" tours or throwin all the top players in 1 tour so they hav a chance of winning dont deserve the title of a PGA or EURO player IMO. So if u wanna have a chance of winnin or competin and u cant do it on PGA or EURO then take a relegation or 2 and find a level where u are competitive. Brian, I still want your autograph. If I can't have that, can I have your baby? LOL. |
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