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Post by kengoward on Aug 14, 2016 10:47:40 GMT -5
It does add up, based on the wording of the rules page: www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPoliciesFor exemption, they take those in the top 5 percent, so in this case you have to be in the top 3.95 which they round down to 3. For avoiding the strike line, you have to be ABOVE the BOTTOM 50%, so they take the bottom 50% which is 39.5 rounded down to 39, then everyone above that (40th or better) avoids a strike. In both cases they are rounding down to the nearest whole number This post isn't meant to justify rounding down, just explaining how under the current structure the math does make sense. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 14, 2016 10:58:10 GMT -5
It does add up, based on the wording of the rules page: www.tgctours.com/Home/RulesPoliciesFor exemption, they take those in the top 5 percent, so in this case you have to be in the top 3.95 which they round down to 3. For avoiding the strike line, you have to be ABOVE the BOTTOM 50%, so they take the bottom 50% which is 39.5 rounded down to 39, then everyone above that (40th or better) avoids a strike. In both cases they are rounding down to the nearest whole number This post isn't meant to justify rounding down, just explaining how under the current structure the math does make sense.I guess it really comes down to glass 1/2 empty or glass 1/2 full I just feel it's wrong to round down..especially when you're that close (.95) to the next whole number. With how tough it is to progress currently in the CC tiers..we need as many exemption spots and people making cuts as possible. By rounding down to the closest whole number..especially for exemptions you're in essence crippling the tier player's from advancing. It may only be minor numbers each week, but with very little to play for in the CC Tiers we need to have as many spots as possible open to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 11:08:55 GMT -5
Have you given any consideration or done the math to the ramifications of more people moving up than are moving down? There actually is a competitive balance at play here....
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 14, 2016 11:15:36 GMT -5
Have you given any consideration or done the math to the ramifications of more people moving up than are moving down? There actually is a competitive balance at play here.... If you finish 4th in CC-A and miss the exemption by 1 spot(like this week) you're good enough to compete at the next level. It's one stroke..one putt. It's not like you're going to be watering down the levels because 1 or 2 more people get exemptions or get promoted. I could see the argument if 10-20 people were moving up each week...but it's not the case. At most it would be 2 or 3 in A...and a mitt full in the other CC tiers each week. If you can finish top 4 out of 79 golfers...you're top 4 out of 80 golfers...which would be an even 5% of the players. There is no chance it would water down the competitive balance because of the way demotions work in CC it would be sorted out in 3 tournaments if someone slid through. The main complaint about CC is how hard it is to advance tiers..especially in CC-A. This is a remedy to that problem...not an added problem. I know it's gonna get kiboshed...but it's worth a shot |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 11:52:47 GMT -5
Have you given any consideration or done the math to the ramifications of more people moving up than are moving down? There actually is a competitive balance at play here.... If you finish 4th in CC-A and miss the exemption by 1 spot(like this week) you're good enough to compete at the next level. It's one stroke..one putt. It's not like you're going to be watering down the levels because 1 or 2 more people get exemptions or get promoted. I could see the argument if 10-20 people were moving up each week...but it's not the case. At most it would be 2 or 3 in A...and a mitt full in the other CC tiers each week. If you can finish top 4 out of 79 golfers...you're top 4 out of 80 golfers...which would be an even 5% of the players. There is no chance it would water down the competitive balance because of the way demotions work in CC it would be sorted out in 3 tournaments if someone slid through. The main complaint about CC is how hard it is to advance tiers..especially in CC-A. This is a remedy to that problem...not an added problem. I know it's gonna get kiboshed...but it's worth a shot It's not that I disagree with your reasoning, but you're missing a part of the bigger picture. Just using CC-A as an example. In the example you cited, that would be 5 people moving up...not 3. Adding just one extra person over the course of a 50+ week season has the potential to add and additional 50+ people (beyond the 3+ already getting the chance). Then you will have weeks where 3, 4, or even 5 people may tie for that 4th score. Recognizing there is nothing in place to demote Web players until the end of the season, the potential to over expand the Web tour is actually pretty prominent. And it has ripple effects that runs down as well as up. The he same stands for CC. I'll argue that it's not hard to advance in CC if you're playing to a standard that deserves being promoted. That's just opinion, so not as relevant to the conversation. What is relevent is that it takes 1 week to move up, and at the very least 3 to be demoted. Once again, there is real potential to have more upward movement than competitive stabilization. I personally don't think it's as big of a deal within the CC ranks, but it has a pretty significant effect on Web. Like I said, it's not that I disagree with your point or what you're saying, but there's a bigger picture in play here. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 14, 2016 11:59:41 GMT -5
If you finish 4th in CC-A and miss the exemption by 1 spot(like this week) you're good enough to compete at the next level. It's one stroke..one putt. It's not like you're going to be watering down the levels because 1 or 2 more people get exemptions or get promoted. I could see the argument if 10-20 people were moving up each week...but it's not the case. At most it would be 2 or 3 in A...and a mitt full in the other CC tiers each week. If you can finish top 4 out of 79 golfers...you're top 4 out of 80 golfers...which would be an even 5% of the players. There is no chance it would water down the competitive balance because of the way demotions work in CC it would be sorted out in 3 tournaments if someone slid through. The main complaint about CC is how hard it is to advance tiers..especially in CC-A. This is a remedy to that problem...not an added problem. I know it's gonna get kiboshed...but it's worth a shot It's not that I disagree with your reasoning, but you're missing a part of the bigger picture. Just using CC-A as an example. In the example you cited, that would be 5 people moving up...not 3. Adding just one extra person over the course of a 50+ week season has the potential to add and additional 50+ people (beyond the 3+ already getting the chance). Then you will have weeks where 3, 4, or even 5 people may tie for that 4th score. Recognizing there is nothing in place to demote Web players until the end of the season, the potential to over expand the Web tour is actually pretty prominent. And it has ripple effects that runs down as well as up. The he same stands for CC. I'll argue that it's not hard to advance in CC if you're playing to a standard that deserves being promoted. That's just opinion, so not as relevant to the conversation. What is relevent is that it takes 1 week to move up, and at the very least 3 to be demoted. Once again, there is real potential to have more upward movement than competitive stabilization. I personally don't think it's as big of a deal within the CC ranks, but it has a pretty significant effect on Web. Like I said, it's not that I disagree with your point or what you're saying, but there's a bigger picture in play here. Completely a fair statement. I put this out there for feedback...whether for it or against it. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 16, 2016 6:46:35 GMT -5
Judging by the poll answers so far..we got a group of peeps here who don't mind getting shafted. Cool...remind me to borrow money from ya....let's say we round down to the nearest hundo when I pay ya back  Admins...you can lock this one up and throw away the key. I had an idea(I have many) on how to improve things a bit...but it didn't wash...no biggie |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 18, 2016 4:27:19 GMT -5
Judging by the poll answers so far..we got a group of peeps here who don't mind getting shafted. Cool...remind me to borrow money from ya....let's say we round down to the nearest hundo when I pay ya back Admins...you can lock this one up and throw away the key. I had an idea(I have many) on how to improve things a bit...but it didn't wash...no biggie Lord your more desperate for change than a women born in a mans body ................ |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 18, 2016 8:24:49 GMT -5
Judging by the poll answers so far..we got a group of peeps here who don't mind getting shafted. Cool...remind me to borrow money from ya....let's say we round down to the nearest hundo when I pay ya back Admins...you can lock this one up and throw away the key. I had an idea(I have many) on how to improve things a bit...but it didn't wash...no biggie Lord your more desperate for change than a women born in a mans body ................ Change is good if done correctly. Complacency is a cancer. Trust me...this is just the tip of the iceberg of how I feel things could be better around here. Not saying it's bad now....but so many avenues for improvement. It's endless. Thanks for the personal attack though...I could zing back but not really worthy of my time. I asked to have this thread locked because the discussion was pretty stale. I guess I'll just delete my posts. |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 18, 2016 8:36:28 GMT -5
Lord your more desperate for change than a women born in a mans body ................ Change is good if done correctly. Complacency is a cancer. Trust me...this is just the tip of the iceberg of how I feel things could be better around here. Not saying it's bad now....but so many avenues for improvement. It's endless. I asked to have this thread locked because the discussion was pretty stale. I guess I'll just delete my posts. I would love to see the whole Iceberg in a bulletin pointed post! as it just appears you steamroll an idea then if actioned or shut down you quickly steamroll another. Come on how us your full thoughts on how to improve this place. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 18, 2016 8:38:52 GMT -5
Change is good if done correctly. Complacency is a cancer. Trust me...this is just the tip of the iceberg of how I feel things could be better around here. Not saying it's bad now....but so many avenues for improvement. It's endless. I asked to have this thread locked because the discussion was pretty stale. I guess I'll just delete my posts. I would love to see the whole Iceberg in a bulletin pointed post! as it just appears you steamroll an idea then if actioned or shut down you quickly steamroll another. Come on how us your full thoughts on how to improve this place. Like I said...you're not worthy of my time Cheers |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 18, 2016 8:52:35 GMT -5
I would love to see the whole Iceberg in a bulletin pointed post! as it just appears you steamroll an idea then if actioned or shut down you quickly steamroll another. Come on how us your full thoughts on how to improve this place. Like I said...you're not worthy of my time Cheers Where is this personal attack you speak off ? just used a comparison to emphasis how desperate for change you are. I ignored your "not worthy" comment the first time as hey I'm a nice guy but you went and said it again. Just wondering where this delusion of granduer stems from? |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 18, 2016 8:58:36 GMT -5
Like I said...you're not worthy of my time Cheers Where is this personal attack you speak off ? just used a comparison to emphasis how desperate for change you are. I ignored your "not worthy" comment the first time as hey I'm a nice guy but you went and said it again. Just wondering where this delusion of granduer stems from? The fact that you feel I am "desperate" for change shows me just how fragmented your thinking is. It's not desperation at all...no where near it. I like to throw ideas around whether good bad or indifferent. I have things I feel could change TGCTours for the better and some have already been implemented. It's all about viewing things as a whole. This one idea didn't work and wasn't accepted for each person's own prerogative. No big deal. Won't change my thought pattern or how I voice my opinions and put forth my ideas. There's a time and a place for every idea. Just because you want to hear them doesn't make it the time and place. Again...cheers. |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 18, 2016 11:36:51 GMT -5
Where is this personal attack you speak off ? just used a comparison to emphasis how desperate for change you are. I ignored your "not worthy" comment the first time as hey I'm a nice guy but you went and said it again. Just wondering where this delusion of granduer stems from? The fact that you feel I am "desperate" for change shows me just how fragmented your thinking is. It's not desperation at all...no where near it. I like to throw ideas around whether good bad or indifferent. I have things I feel could change TGCTours for the better and some have already been implemented. It's all about viewing things as a whole. This one idea didn't work and wasn't accepted for each person's own prerogative. No big deal. Won't change my thought pattern or how I voice my opinions and put forth my ideas. There's a time and a place for every idea. Just because you want to hear them doesn't make it the time and place. Again...cheers. You always want change and always harp on about it you said by your own admission you've a list . I think desperate isn't a far cry. My thinking is broken into pieces though I want to object but honestly I can't make sense of what you saying? My 1 thought is you are desperate for change weither right or wrong it's not fragmented it one whole thought . Maybe it means something different in Canada |
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 18, 2016 11:42:51 GMT -5
The fact that you feel I am "desperate" for change shows me just how fragmented your thinking is. It's not desperation at all...no where near it. I like to throw ideas around whether good bad or indifferent. I have things I feel could change TGCTours for the better and some have already been implemented. It's all about viewing things as a whole. This one idea didn't work and wasn't accepted for each person's own prerogative. No big deal. Won't change my thought pattern or how I voice my opinions and put forth my ideas. There's a time and a place for every idea. Just because you want to hear them doesn't make it the time and place. Again...cheers. You always want change and always harp on about it you said by your own admission you've a list . I think desperate isn't a far cry. My thinking is broken into pieces though I want to object but honestly I can't make sense of what you saying? My 1 thought is you are desperate for change weither right or wrong it's not fragmented it one whole thought . Maybe it means something different in Canada You're entitled to your own opinion. My list will be released in due time one item at a time. Fare thee well. |
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