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Post by tastegw on Jul 26, 2016 9:37:37 GMT -5
I credit the black widow for improving my game. Having said that, I recall when it was first released how hard I worked to break par, how many countless hours and dozens of restarts it took to break par, which I finally did. Today, even with a 3 putt from a foot for a double in the mix, I casually shoot -4. Has the game changed, have I got better, who knows but it certainly no longer presents the same challenge it did when it was first released. The thing I like about tastegw and his firm setups, often there is a shot at the pin, but seldom can it be made. This is what bugs me about some of the firm set-ups, taking away the shot at the pin. I enjoy a good challenge as much as the next guy, however when I miss, I miss, but if I can feel there was shot there and I miss, that does not bug me in the slightest, I'll just try harder next time. But giving no shot, hole after hole and requiring constant flops to save par, I'd rather play Pokemon. For those that are struggling, go to play a round, and play the black widow and don't stop until you break par. Trust me your game will be elite level at that point for ever more. Somehow months back I shot -9 there on PS4. I think I flopped in like 5-6x. -9 is hax.....all hax!
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Post by titaneddie on Jul 26, 2016 9:42:07 GMT -5
So true boomboom. I don't think it was a coincidence the same week my buddies and I held a 3 Round competition here I moved up a circuit. I think the best I did was +1 and a had a putt for birdie I missed on 18 to get to even.
I actually find getting destroyed in all the community events helps me. I find it hard to really try in a "casual' round so these competitions give me a reason put forth a real effort. Especially the team events. Feel awful posting a terrible round in those events.
I'll give this a go at one point this week.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 26, 2016 9:43:13 GMT -5
A 4 pin setup for black widow is long overdue for the PGA/Euro. Bring it on!
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Post by yaters on Jul 26, 2016 10:01:04 GMT -5
I hear what you guys are saying. This is an 'Elite' cup and supposed to be hard...don't always go for birdies...it will help your game...etc. I was more expressing what I enjoy in this game vs. what I don't enjoy. After playing a couple of setups that weren't fast/firm that were still a challenge, I much more prefer that. Just my own preference and certainly not trying to push it on anyone. I would just enjoy more setups like that in the future is all. boomboom - I understand what you saying about making you better. Some people like punishment to force them to improve and others take a different route. I can climb stadium steps in the heat or I can take a nice bike ride - both get me in shape.
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Post by tastegw on Jul 26, 2016 10:06:25 GMT -5
A 4 pin setup for black widow is long overdue for the PGA/Euro. Bring it on! lol that would never happen nor should it. regular mckee already has been held on pga this year it was even disliked by a few who felt it was tricked out, could not imagine if they played the widow version for 4 rounds.
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Post by titaneddie on Jul 26, 2016 10:18:52 GMT -5
boomboom - I understand what you saying about making you better. Some people like punishment to force them to improve and others take a different route. I can climb stadium steps in the heat or I can take a nice bike ride - both get me in shape. Oh so kind of like real life where instead of walking the course you rent a cart and leave it a little further than normal to walk to your ball? Maybe even now and then grab a wedge and your putter when your 110 out and tell your buddy you'll meet him at the green.
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Post by tastegw on Jul 26, 2016 10:23:54 GMT -5
After playing a couple of setups that weren't fast/firm that were still a challenge, I much more prefer that. what course is not fast nor firm but still a challenge? if a course isnt fast nor firm, the only ways to make it challenging in this game in its current state is to do one or more of these things: mass elevation changes mass overall yardage totals super long approach shots on nearly every hole par 3's that may require a driver, or in-between 5w-3w-D clubs Front tucked pins, with no fairway apron. greens with no fairway apron that kick the ball forward on landing pins right on the edge of breaks, pins on mounds, bad pins in general that are non conforming to pga style suggestions. 18 raised greens that spit balls off the green only to roll down a sharp bank and be left with a lengthy return recovery shot. holes designed so that only 1 type of shot holds etc etc etc ive not played a single non-tricked out course that was not fast nor firm and was still a challenge, this includes my own courses. most of the difficult courses ive played that were not firm and fast, have these: -very difficult fairways to hit off the tee box, usually via angles + obstacles + undulations, and with 14 of those fairways, thats not realistic. all of those holes were designed to be difficult at exactly the drivers distance, something impossible to do in real life since everyone hits for different yardages. -greens where if you miss your shot, you are not even close to the green because you rolled off and down a bank, leaving you an awkward flop against the grains. -lack of usable fairway to use near the green
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Jul 26, 2016 10:38:44 GMT -5
A 4 pin setup for black widow is long overdue for the PGA/Euro. Bring it on! lol that would never happen nor should it. regular mckee already has been held on pga this year it was even disliked by a few who felt it was tricked out, could not imagine if they played the widow version for 4 rounds. Yeah, I know 1st hand. I won the damn thing!
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Post by yaters on Jul 26, 2016 11:01:30 GMT -5
After playing a couple of setups that weren't fast/firm that were still a challenge, I much more prefer that. what course is not fast nor firm but still a challenge? if a course isnt fast nor firm, the only ways to make it challenging in this game in its current state is to do one or more of these things: mass elevation changes mass overall yardage totals super long approach shots on nearly every hole par 3's that may require a driver, or in-between 5w-3w-D clubs Front tucked pins, with no fairway apron. greens with no fairway apron that kick the ball forward on landing pins right on the edge of breaks, pins on mounds, bad pins in general that are non conforming to pga style suggestions. 18 raised greens that spit balls off the green only to roll down a sharp bank and be left with a lengthy return recovery shot. holes designed so that only 1 type of shot holds etc etc etc ive not played a single non-tricked out course that was not fast nor firm and was still a challenge, this includes my own courses. most of the difficult courses ive played that were not firm and fast, have these: -very difficult fairways to hit off the tee box, usually via angles + obstacles + undulations, and with 14 of those fairways, thats not realistic. all of those holes were designed to be difficult at exactly the drivers distance, something impossible to do in real life since everyone hits for different yardages. -greens where if you miss your shot, you are not even close to the green because you rolled off and down a bank, leaving you an awkward flop against the grains. -lack of usable fairway to use near the green I'm not trying to argue with you. It's just my opinion and my preference. I don't enjoy finding the one square 15 yards off the green to land an approach and get lucky it bounces correctly leaving me with a putt. The play for chips/flops game that a lot of players excel at just isn't fun for me. I thought Glen Abbey was a good example of not fast/firm but still a challenge. The only issue with that course, and again...just my opinion...was some of the trees were in play. Some of that is based on the real course where Pros just drive the ball 320 off the tee and never face a shot like we had at 265-275. And the other, as boomboom mentioned, was the planting only allowed for it. I'm not a designer or claim to have knowledge of any of the tools. The courses created by the community here are incredible to me. But it's a video game and not realistic in a lot of aspects. So if scoring is low, I don't feel that means the course isn't a challenge in some respect. I'm just one that doesn't enjoy fast/firm all the time, especially if pins are tucked in close.
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Post by boomboom on Jul 26, 2016 13:53:18 GMT -5
So much positive chatter about the soft conditions of Glen Abbey and the challenge it was. I agree, I also enjoyed my week there. However what are the tours to take from the fact 117 players posted a score and only 3 people clicked "like"
I'm not pushing for likes, but if you liked it, liked the conditions, liked the challenge, It could not hurt to send a message to the tours by giving a little click, just sayin.
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Post by yaters on Jul 26, 2016 13:58:27 GMT -5
So much positive chatter about the soft conditions of Glen Abbey and the challenge it was. I agree, I also enjoyed my week there. However what are the tours to take from the fact 117 players posted a score and only 3 people clicked "like" I'm not pushing for likes, but if you liked it, liked the conditions, liked the challenge, It could not hurt to send a message to the tours by giving a little click, just sayin. Not sure what you mean. Where do you hit the 'like' button for the course? In game or somewhere on the site?
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Post by boomboom on Jul 26, 2016 14:03:52 GMT -5
So much positive chatter about the soft conditions of Glen Abbey and the challenge it was. I agree, I also enjoyed my week there. However what are the tours to take from the fact 117 players posted a score and only 3 people clicked "like" I'm not pushing for likes, but if you liked it, liked the conditions, liked the challenge, It could not hurt to send a message to the tours by giving a little click, just sayin. Not sure what you mean. Where do you hit the 'like' button for the course? In game or somewhere on the site? Its that big giant thumbs up sign when posting scores!
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Post by yaters on Jul 26, 2016 14:11:18 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean. Where do you hit the 'like' button for the course? In game or somewhere on the site? Its that big giant thumbs up sign when posting scores! Wow - I never even noticed that. I am too worried about posting the wrong score or not putting my name is correctly I guess. Sorry man, I must have missed the notice about this. I'll pay more attention going forward.
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Post by tastegw on Jul 26, 2016 17:25:00 GMT -5
Yates,
I do have a question followed with a comment:
Why did you play this particular tour and then come here to say you did not like the conditions?
That is no different then going to Starbucks and ordering the cup of coffee you dislike the most, drinking the entire thing, then telling the barista that you did not like that cup of coffee..
Surely after the first or second round you got the idea, right?
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Post by JeffJeter on Jul 26, 2016 19:17:31 GMT -5
I hate the fast firm conditions of most of the pga setups now, but if you want to play and compete with the best in the world, those are the conditions we have to play on.......I'm in complete agreement with Yaters on this one......i loved Boom boom's Glenabbey (i forgot to hit like too lol.....sorry)......i just couldn't stop leaving myself 8, 10 and 12 foot side hill putts.......i like 187 greens with subtle breaks but medium firmness so the ball reacts more like real life......the only pga event i won was fast and firm at the Shell Houston Open, but the greens were fairly large with not too many severe breaks and not lots of different breaks so you could bring your approach shot in and have it run out 15 or 20 yards and have a fairly good idea where it was going to roll.......i'm not a fan of every shot getting severely punished unless it's a superb shot....or lucky shot........good shots shouldn't end up with the same fate as poor shots.......just my humble Maritime Canadian opinion.......sorry eh.
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