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Post by nantez88 on Jun 11, 2016 16:42:00 GMT -5
It could be pal the Russian fans are nuts but things like this happen when you have hardcore fans drinking all day.You's should look at us Irish we get hammered and still have the craic and sing ole ole ole ole after being trashed by everyone at the last Euro's :-) haha Yes,it appears to be the Russians. Nutcases,the lot of them who get involved in it - bloody braindead. Yeah it's a shame pal but it happens as I said these lads were probably in the pub all day loud and taunting each other. Unfortunately there is always a small minority that will cause trouble were ever they go |
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Post by pyates on Jun 11, 2016 16:54:00 GMT -5
As an Englishman I'm proud of the boys on the pitch. Gave it their all and had the luck been on their side could have come away with a 4-0 win. Having gotten our noses in front I'd have preferred Vardy on for Kane to get that second goal, but you do that and the same happens... Damned if you do damned if you don't. France only won their opener but still favourites. England need to beat Wales and top the group.
Kinda felt like typical bad luck for us but I'm confident going forwards... We have a great group of players
Criticism for Sterling I understand but with him we had a player prepared to run at the opposition, make space for others and make space for himself. On another day he'd have had an assist in that game. The margins were tiny especially in that first half
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Post by Matt10 on Jun 11, 2016 19:07:18 GMT -5
Thought England played quite well actually. A couple shots on target by Lallana and it could have been several goals more. Of course, not sure on why Kane was taking corners.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 11, 2016 19:11:57 GMT -5
England played well 1st half and had Russia on the ropes where they belong. Didn put the game to bed and suffered the consequences.
I blame hodgeball for it. The team were a shadow of the their 1st half display in the 2nd half and he sat on his old arse and waited for controll of the game to be lost before changin anythin. And then to add insult to injury he makes 3 ridiculous subs that didn help the team at all.
The mans a cabbage.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 0:10:57 GMT -5
England played well 1st half and had Russia on the ropes where they belong. Didn put the game to bed and suffered the consequences. I blame hodgeball for it. The team were a shadow of the their 1st half display in the 2nd half and he sat on his old arse and waited for controll of the game to be lost before changin anythin. And then to add insult to injury he makes 3 ridiculous subs that didn help the team at all. The mans a cabbage. Agreed,Hodgson is to blame. We played a poor Russian team,and eventually managed one goal. People can say we were unlucky not to win but you make your own luck - one goal is never enough. Sterling is a waste of space - pace without vision , and he has some (but not that much) of one and none of the other,equals a player who gets in good positions and is then clueless what to do. Why is Kane an automatic first choice striker? He lacks pace and at this level that matters. Why have a striker taking corners? Is he a superb corner taker? I don't think he played one good one the whole match. Vardy has to play,he is world class in my opinion. We have a footballer of great potential,Stones,he doesn't get a game. A footballing defender who can bring the ball out frees the midfield,they don't have to constantly come back to collect the ball from planks who can't pass. Hodgson has players with lots of ability - if he messes this up he must be sacked,the world cup is only two years away. Such a disappointment. When I saw the team I was already disappointed before a ball was kicked until I realised just how bad Russia are.We couldn't beat them! Rose excellent,Walker very good,Dier too,very solid and what is needed alongside Alli. Rooney good,Lallana too - lots of plus points from genuinely good players but I fear the man in charge is going to waste them. Hart I don't trust and never have - no doubt he will play every game until he makes a howler - this manager is far too loyal to 'names'. Amid the cries of derision,I'd drop both Cahill and Smalling,and play Dier and Stones at the back,two footballing defenders. If they are 'not great defensively' the phrase I expect will be aimed at them,just how good are Cahill and Smalling defensively? Answer - not very! Ideally a great stopper,reliable and positionally sound alongside a footballer is the ideal but we don't seem to have one. This was the way with Moore and Jack Charlton and with Moore and Labone in the great 70 side. Anyone who thinks the 70 side were not great,take a look at the full Brazil game - they couldn't get the ball off us. The smart-arses will say " England lost 0-1" ...all I can say is watch the game,and imagine a Vardy up front for England. I have to feel sorry for Vardy and Sturridge too - just what does Vardy have to do to get a @!$#ing game?? That 1970 side should be the blueprint for any England manager, A team who played a Brazil side with Pele,Jairzinho,Tostao,Gerson,Carlos Alberto,Rivelino etc,superb players,yet for very long periods they were chasing ghosts. Why don't England managers look back and learn? All that side lacked was a world class striker ( Greaves was still great and top scorer in division one but Alf left him at home ) But no,nothing is ever learned. That England side would have slaughtered Russia - I know that. It is true,we don't have a Banks,Moore or Charlton but we do have good players. Look what Leicester did with good players and a good system. In fact,two good systems,as they started a counter attacking side and had to switch as teams started sitting back against them. Look what good management can do for gods sake! I'm @!$#ing fed up of watching England @!$# it up due to sh%$ managers! |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 3:23:25 GMT -5
My predictions for the matches later 2day... Turkey 2-2 Croatia Poland 2-1 N Ire Germany 2-0 Ukraine  |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 3:32:21 GMT -5
Managers get too much of the blame these days... That England side should have beaten Russia easily on the strength of play last nite but they didn't take their chances..
Players these days are over-pampered, over-paid & usually over over-looked when a bad performance goes in.. Yes, Hodgson should have introduced Vardy but he didn't, its not all down to Hodgson though England didn't beat Russia...
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Post by mrooola on Jun 12, 2016 5:38:55 GMT -5
My conclusions of yesterday's games.
Berisha made 1 bad decision and it cost them a historical point. Other than the early corner he was absolutely fantastic. On the other side Sommer was equally impressive with less to do, but good when it mattered. Switzerland has much more to give and I think France will need to play much better than they did against Romania. Either way. Swiss got away with one..
Much as Switzerland, Wales got away with the win in a game they probably should not have won. What impressed me about Wales is the amount of finishes that ended up on goal. Wales had periods of time where they outplayed Slovakia, but the same thing could have been said the other way around. I put Bales 1-0 goal in the goalie mistake department. Norwegian ref has some explaining to do I think and I'd be surprised if he gets to judge more games in this tournament. I'm not questioning any individual yellow, but this game did in no way reflect a 5-0 in warnings. I congratulate Wales on the win in this tough well fought game, but this should have ended equal imo.
England played well. Much as anticipated. England has a fairly strong side but nothing that really scare any other teams. In general they are overrated by fans and media as per usual. England needs players like Alli to take another step forward in order to succeed. I personally still think England will make it to the quater finals though. Russia was a bit more passive than I thought, but still managed to get the draw I'm sure they are satisfied with. A win against either Wales or Slovakia will seal the deal.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Jun 12, 2016 5:54:41 GMT -5
Managers get too much of the blame these days... That England side should have beaten Russia easily on the strength of play last nite but they didn't take their chances.. Players these days are over-pampered, over-paid & usually over over-looked when a bad performance goes in.. Yes, Hodgson should have introduced Vardy but he didn't, its not all down to Hodgson though England didn't beat Russia... I couldn't agree less. Hodgson persevered with a woeful Sterling almost all game,left Vardy and Sturridge on the bench against a slow old defence and finally put milner on and two others,who I must admit I can't remember - I was too pissed off to care by then but I know it wasn't the two strikers. Hodgson picks the team,he has good players at his disposal and he picks the tactics. Of course he must shoulder the blame. Are England always unlucky? I don't think so - the managers always cock it up. The boring,defensive Ericson,a real prat,the boring,defensive Italian,another prat,and now Hodgson is going the same way. Not using pace in the subs is criminal! Why the @!$# is Milner even in the squad,let alone playing?? I remember now,Wilshire for Rooney - a bit risky as Rooney was playing well but I do like Wilshire too. Nevertheless,a mistake I think,by the manager. One good thing - this must surely be the end of Sterling at this level. Let him piss off back to city,play crap next season,be sold abroad for a tenth of what they paid and never be allowed within ten miles of an England shirt again. |
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Post by pablo on Jun 12, 2016 6:13:20 GMT -5
I think the english squad has the same problem the spanish squad had a few years ago. The players are good, but they need to go out of England, to know another types of football, making the english football evolve.
In Spain we had the same problems, when spanish players started playing abroad in the late 90's (and F.C. Barcelona hired Cruyff as coach - key fact), the spanish football started to improve a lot, and there you have the outcome, two euros and one world cup in the last 8 years.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 12, 2016 6:39:15 GMT -5
Todays bet  |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 6:42:07 GMT -5
Managers get too much of the blame these days... That England side should have beaten Russia easily on the strength of play last nite but they didn't take their chances.. Players these days are over-pampered, over-paid & usually over over-looked when a bad performance goes in.. Yes, Hodgson should have introduced Vardy but he didn't, its not all down to Hodgson though England didn't beat Russia... I couldn't agree less. Hodgson persevered with a woeful Sterling almost all game,left Vardy and Sturridge on the bench against a slow old defence and finally put milner on and two others,who I must admit I can't remember - I was too pissed off to care by then but I know it wasn't the two strikers. Hodgson picks the team,he has good players at his disposal and he picks the tactics. Of course he must shoulder the blame. Are England always unlucky? I don't think so - the managers always cock it up. The boring,defensive Ericson,a real prat,the boring,defensive Italian,another prat,and now Hodgson is going the same way. Not using pace in the subs is criminal! Why the @!$# is Milner even in the squad,let alone playing?? I remember now,Wilshire for Rooney - a bit risky as Rooney was playing well but I do like Wilshire too. Nevertheless,a mistake I think,by the manager. One good thing - this must surely be the end of Sterling at this level. Let him piss off back to city,play crap next season,be sold abroad for a tenth of what they paid and never be allowed within ten miles of an England shirt again. Had a feeling you'd disagree but if u read my msg I said its not all down to Hodgson ... Which implies he isn't blameless for last nites performance... I watched the match last nite, I know what I saw.. England were a few mins away from winning & with it the likelyhood of Hodgson getting a whole lot less stick post match... England didn't play badly last nite, but you's weren't clinical, & it cost you's.. Just my opinion.. ALL the blame being placed at Roy's feet is laughable!.. Lookin forward to 2days games.. |
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Post by mrooola on Jun 12, 2016 6:44:57 GMT -5
I think the english squad has the same problem the spanish squad had a few years ago. The players are good, but they need to go out of England, to know another types of football, making the english football evolve. In Spain we had the same problems, when spanish players started playing abroad in the late 90's (and F.C. Barcelona hired Cruyff as coach - key fact), the spanish football started to improve a lot, and there you have the outcome, two euros and one world cup in the last 8 years. I think there is more to it than that, but I also do believe this is part of the problem. If I'm not mistaken, England is the only team that has 0 players playing abroad. N. Ireland does not have any outside the brittish isles and Ireland only has 2 playing in us. Thing is though this is not entierly a English thing. It's brittish. Only the mega stars leave. Go figure... It's fun to read about how unlucky they are (england) year after year when in fact it's probably more about the lack of talent. They've had among the best players in the world according to them selves and they tried hiring the best managers at the time in the world yet they never win and managers are to blame.... Take the glasses off ppl. So how many did I piss off right there?  They'll probably win now because of this |
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Post by Wildrover on Jun 12, 2016 6:47:03 GMT -5
I think the english squad has the same problem the spanish squad had a few years ago. The players are good, but they need to go out of England, to know another types of football, making the english football evolve. In Spain we had the same problems, when spanish players started playing abroad in the late 90's (and F.C. Barcelona hired Cruyff as coach - key fact), the spanish football started to improve a lot, and there you have the outcome, two euros and one world cup in the last 8 years. Very well said Pablo.. One thing England lacks in major comps is the word efficiency.. If they play bad, they probably won't win...Germany & the likes can do this, grind out results when not at their best. |
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Post by pablo on Jun 12, 2016 6:47:55 GMT -5
I think the english squad has the same problem the spanish squad had a few years ago. The players are good, but they need to go out of England, to know another types of football, making the english football evolve. In Spain we had the same problems, when spanish players started playing abroad in the late 90's (and F.C. Barcelona hired Cruyff as coach - key fact), the spanish football started to improve a lot, and there you have the outcome, two euros and one world cup in the last 8 years. I think there is more to it than that, but I also do believe this is part of the problem. If I'm not mistaken, England is the only team that has 0 players playing abroad. N. Ireland does not have any outside the brittish isles and Ireland only has 2 playing in us. Thing is though this is not entierly a English thing. It's brittish. Only the mega stars leave. Go figure... It's fun to read about how unlucky they are (england) year after year when in fact it's probably more about the lack of talent. They've had among the best players in the world according to them selves and they tried hiring the best managers at the time in the world yet they never win and managers are to blame.... Take the glasses off ppl. So how many did I piss off right there? They'll probably win now because of this For sure, the key aspect is the talent. No talent - no wins, it's almost imposible... But going outside your confort zone always makes your talents grow. |
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