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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 16:50:23 GMT -5
Total political correct crap. It is the world we live in. Would you think the same if they didn't allow blacks/asian/muslims? You mean like Asian only clubs that admit only Asians? Muslim only groups that admit only Muslims? Black only groups that admit only blacks? It is the world we live in. Politically correct morons who want to force their will on everyone else when it doesn't need to be done. When I see you calling for groups like the NAACP to allow white people to be elected to leadership, then I'll take you seriously.
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Post by BillySastard976 on May 21, 2016 16:51:27 GMT -5
I think you're a p/t idiot who hopes to make it fulltime. Nothing politically correct about it - it is not a men only club. Men are the only ones who are members, thus it's a men's only club. Try to keep up with simple logic. Err no,women can play and enter the club. Thus,not a men only club.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on May 21, 2016 16:52:37 GMT -5
I think you're a p/t idiot who hopes to make it fulltime. Nothing politically correct about it - it is not a men only club. Men are the only ones who are members, thus it's a men's only club.Try to keep up with simple logic. But why Irving? Because, when the "Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers" was founded in 1800 and something, Society dictated that women had fewer rights than men. It is now 2016, and that is no longer the case. Times change, and if golf is to survive and thrive it has to move with them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 16:54:56 GMT -5
Men are the only ones who are members, thus it's a men's only club.Try to keep up with simple logic. But why Irving? Because, when the "Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers" was founded in 1800 and something, Society dictated that women had fewer rights than men. It is now 2016, and that is no longer the case. Times change, and if golf is to survive and thrive it has to move with them. As long as you want to allow single-sex groups for women, or allow single-race groups for blacks/asians/etc. or allow any kind of group that allows exclusive membership based on age/sex/etc. then you cannot demand a men's only group change its membership. It's complete and blatant hypocrisy to demand otherwise. It's politically correct BS to say men can't have a men's only group while every other "group" that you can cook up can have an exclusive group of their own.
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Post by BillySastard976 on May 21, 2016 16:58:42 GMT -5
Haha - once again (third time?) it is NOT a men only club.
What reason do the old codgers give for not allowing women to be members?
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Post by Brighttail on May 21, 2016 16:59:51 GMT -5
Irving I have no issue with private clubs having rules that exclude others. Just like them as a private homeowner you have the right to say who you want into your home.
If tho you didn't allow women into your home, or (insert other group) and HB studios wanted to host a "Play with the players" day from your home, they would have every right to cancel or not go to your home because they disagree with your rules.
This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with the R&A a private organization, not liking the rules of another private organization and simply deciding not to hold their tournament there because of it. Pretty simple.
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Post by BillySastard976 on May 21, 2016 17:08:44 GMT -5
Nobody is 'demanding' anyone changes anything. The surprise is that not quite enough members had the common sense to vote out this outdated rule. ALMOST enough did though,the majority,in fact.
No demand is needed,common sense will prevail eventually - I think we all know that.
Had Muirfield had a strict 'men only' policy,that is,no women allowed in the club at all,or allowed to play,then,while it would be incredible and draconian,it would be somewhat harder to argue against. The fact is though,they don't. They happily take a woman's money,yet won't let them join.
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Post by nevadaballin on May 21, 2016 18:51:01 GMT -5
Private clubs can do whatever they want and have whoever they want. However if they want another private industry to host a golf tournament there, then they have to accept that other private business' right. Simply put, the course can do whatever they want. The R&A can decide if they want to do business with the course or not. Ain't capitalism grand? It's better than communism
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Post by joegolferg on May 22, 2016 0:53:16 GMT -5
All a bit strange from the R and A really,Few months time there going to Troon who havent got lady members also.I think by the time muirfield due to hold the open again it will be all sorted out,real shame really if a great course like muirfield misses out and they go to St Andrews every 5 years Clueless.Still If any ladies want to play my version is open to them on the golfclub...(LOL) Apparently Troon is going through the process to start admitting women into the club.
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Post by joegolferg on May 22, 2016 0:55:52 GMT -5
Private clubs can do whatever they want and have whoever they want. However if they want another private industry to host a golf tournament there, then they have to accept that other private business' right. Simply put, the course can do whatever they want. The R&A can decide if they want to do business with the course or not. Ain't capitalism grand? Eh? What does capitalism have to do it it? Don't you mean democracy?
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Post by joegolferg on May 22, 2016 0:57:05 GMT -5
Private clubs can do whatever they want and have whoever they want. However if they want another private industry to host a golf tournament there, then they have to accept that other private business' right. Simply put, the course can do whatever they want. The R&A can decide if they want to do business with the course or not. Ain't capitalism grand? It's better than communism But not quite socialism lol. Three economic models in one thread, how about that.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 5:32:04 GMT -5
I don't see what the problem is here. Muirfield get to keep their 'men-only' members rule that they crave and the R&A get to choose courses that fall into their category of whatever they'd like an Open host to be. 'Men-only' member clubs don't fall into that category of their preference so Muirfield gets dropped, makes sense. Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 22, 2016 7:01:28 GMT -5
I just can't believe it, it's a horrible decision by the R&A. A club doesn't want women as members? That's their problem, not the players' fault and if that's the deal, then so what, it just won't host the women's open. I agree with Irving that this is total BS. Fix it, R&A.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 7:49:56 GMT -5
Funny how the R&A dont like discrimination against other groups but when it comes to hosting an Open Championship it has to be on a "Links" style, seems like Wentworth, Sunningdale, The Belfry etc are being discriminated against because they're not on the coast, have dunes or sandy soil.
How long before the US Open or PGA will only allow events that have "Unisex" restrooms, or will that just be reserved for the Target Classic?
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Post by Andy Tracy on May 22, 2016 7:52:49 GMT -5
Haha, I am patiently waiting for the Trans vs LPGA Tour lawsuit.
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