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Post by unclefester75 on Feb 4, 2016 12:23:04 GMT -5
Again, all i'm really saying is that as things change we need to change also. Why is everyone so afraid of change? We take liberties with all sorts of areas on this game that does not 100% mimic real life. We have year-round Q school. WGR is different than the Pros. We play our tournaments all week long and end on Saturday night. The list could go on and on about how this set-up is not 100% the same as the professional tours. On average, how many tournaments a year does a real PGA player participate in? I doubt they play every week, but some folks on this site do.
I would like to know how many people get shut out of playing in a tournament because it is full. Does this happen often or are we just arguing over nothing? I would think that everyone would like to play Pebble next week because they are golf fans in general. It seems silly to limit the number of participant to some arbitrary number. it is not like a MMO game where the server performance can be affected by the amount of players.
Plus, I don't see how letting more players participate in a tournament could cause a dilution of the field. Wouldn't is strengthen the field?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:35:00 GMT -5
Again, all i'm really saying is that as things change we need to change also. Why is everyone so afraid of change? We take liberties with all sorts of areas on this game that does not 100% mimic real life. We have year-round Q school. WGR is different than the Pros. We play our tournaments all week long and end on Saturday night. The list could go on and on about how this set-up is not 100% the same as the professional tours. On average, how many tournaments a year does a real PGA player participate in? I doubt they play every week, but some folks on this site do. I would like to know how many people get shut out of playing in a tournament because it is full. Does this happen often or are we just arguing over nothing? I would think that everyone would like to play Pebble next week because they are golf fans in general. It seems silly to limit the number of participant to some arbitrary number. it is not like a MMO game where the server performance can be affected by the amount of players. Plus, I don't see how letting more players participate in a tournament could cause a dilution of the field. Wouldn't is strengthen the field? Last week was the first week people got shut out. Its likely going to happen again this week. With the February extra exemption rules in place, PGA is going to stay crowded. The problem is that staff wants the PGA and Euro fields full. The actuality is that registrations are skewed much more to PGA. For example.. Next week Pebble on PGA only has a handful of openings left. On Euro tour there is another RCR that is also a Many times over Major venue. It has around 60 openings. Re: dilution I was referring to diluting the tour itself with some members that may not belong but get up to the top tours because of relaxed exemption and promotion rules just for the benefit of filling up the top tours. To take your thought process out to an extreme... Promote all web and cc-a members to pga and euro. Now fields are 240 and cuts are 100-120. See how thats diluted? |
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Post by unclefester75 on Feb 4, 2016 12:52:30 GMT -5
Re: dilution I was referring to diluting the tour itself with some members that may not belong but get up to the top tours because of relaxed exemption and promotion rules just for the benefit of filling up the top tours. To take your thought process out to an extreme... Promote all web and cc-a members to pga and euro. Now fields are 240 and cuts are 100-120. See how thats diluted? I still don't see how it would be diluted, the good players will still make the top of the leader board. In fact, the WEB and CCA guys should be the ones missing the cuts in your argument but I don't think that would be the case with all of them. However, I think we can agree to disagree on this one. I just get this feeling sometimes that the PGA/EURO players are trying to protect their situtation. Look at the PGA this week, 5 WEB guys looking to make the cut, 2 guys on the EURO. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 17:43:42 GMT -5
It just mimics best they can RL. 1 little click and anyone who wanted to play, plays. Rule has been around for a while now, late registrations are subject to max field. Its not as if there was no knowledge of the rule and 2 full weeks to register. Not sure how any of that is considered unfair and in need of changing. Lets not forget here, the field was not full at the deadline as well, it filled after with late registrations. People play and forget to put in their scores they want rule changed, people put in wrong scores, they want rule changed, people fail to register, they want rule changed, how about people just try and follow the rules. I don't see the issue in having a discussion about the rules and whether the way they are is the best way. Maybe quick judgement should be limited here boomboom. The rules arrived to the way they are though discussion (well, some of them) and if people feel it could be better in a different way then what is the harm in discussing it... |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 17:45:15 GMT -5
Nothing is changing with registration. You have two weeks to register. Don't forget :-) The PGA field for next week's has 3 spots left. You better get in while you can! Discussion cannot hurt and we shall continue to discuss I'm sure even if you heart is so set. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 17:49:43 GMT -5
Here is the thing right, what is the point in limiting how many people can at least start in a regular field PGA event? If there are x numbers of players with PGA cards and x-30 player spots available for the tournament this week then how is that fair? The Euro tour should not be equal in my opinion as the average world ranking (for a player) per event on the euro tour IRL is much much higher (as in worse). Your European player's goals tend to be to get on the PGA Tour for a multitude of reasons. If we are going to be giving more exemptions, more often then we seriously need to consider changing the max field limit as right now it is very restricting.
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 17:51:24 GMT -5
If we are going to try to emulate the real thing then let's stop joking around and do it. A quote from www.pgatour.com/company/pga-tour-faqs.html: "For players who have earned their PGA TOUR card through past achievements or from the Web.com Tour, there is a priority ranking used for each tournament which orders players in terms of accessing the tournament based on the field size." |
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Post by boomboom on Feb 4, 2016 18:24:55 GMT -5
It just mimics best they can RL. 1 little click and anyone who wanted to play, plays. Rule has been around for a while now, late registrations are subject to max field. Its not as if there was no knowledge of the rule and 2 full weeks to register. Not sure how any of that is considered unfair and in need of changing. Lets not forget here, the field was not full at the deadline as well, it filled after with late registrations. People play and forget to put in their scores they want rule changed, people put in wrong scores, they want rule changed, people fail to register, they want rule changed, how about people just try and follow the rules. I don't see the issue in having a discussion about the rules and whether the way they are is the best way. Maybe quick judgement should be limited here boomboom. The rules arrived to the way they are though discussion (well, some of them) and if people feel it could be better in a different way then what is the harm in discussing it... I'm not sure it's quick. getting rid of registration, or coming up with criteria which favours certain players over others is the only 2 options, both of which are non starters in my book. I just fail to see how 2 weeks to register is unfair and needs changed. |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 18:52:24 GMT -5
I don't see the issue in having a discussion about the rules and whether the way they are is the best way. Maybe quick judgement should be limited here boomboom. The rules arrived to the way they are though discussion (well, some of them) and if people feel it could be better in a different way then what is the harm in discussing it... I'm not sure it's quick. getting rid of registration, or coming up with criteria which favours certain players over others is the only 2 options, both of which are non starters in my book. I just fail to see how 2 weeks to register is unfair and needs changed. I never said it's unfair I just don't think it is the best way to go about things. Why limit fields? What's the point if people have cards and yet we're not letting them play? How does that make sense? |
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Post by boomboom on Feb 4, 2016 18:57:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's quick. getting rid of registration, or coming up with criteria which favours certain players over others is the only 2 options, both of which are non starters in my book. I just fail to see how 2 weeks to register is unfair and needs changed. I never said it's unfair I just don't think it is the best way to go about things. Why limit fields? What's the point if people have cards and yet we're not letting them play? How does that make sense? Name 1 person who registered but could not play? |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 4, 2016 21:24:49 GMT -5
I never said it's unfair I just don't think it is the best way to go about things. Why limit fields? What's the point if people have cards and yet we're not letting them play? How does that make sense? Name 1 person who registered but could not play? Nobody because registration is stopped when the field gets full.... I know that we have more PGA card holders and exemption players than the field size was this week. |
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Post by misternic on Feb 5, 2016 8:15:30 GMT -5
Huh, just tried to register for PGA, missed it.  I did register for Euro, but as of tomorrow PGA card holders will be out of luck (not able to register or Euro) |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 5, 2016 8:37:10 GMT -5
222 PGA Card Holders
168 Euro Card Holders
is the problem.
Although I don't have that much sympathy for anyone who misses registration. 2 weeks is a long time and it takes about 2 seconds.
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Post by gmg on Feb 8, 2016 3:06:36 GMT -5
I never said it's unfair I just don't think it is the best way to go about things. Why limit fields? What's the point if people have cards and yet we're not letting them play? How does that make sense? Name 1 person who registered but could not play? Woz Johns ( chaned is name Warrick Jonhson ) 20plus DQ's on the euro tour for reg, then not playing ( on the euro tour we have 20 card holders who havent played this season and some not since Aug~ 6 months a ago but still reg every month but never plays to keep their card ) |
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Post by MrSourNinja on Feb 8, 2016 15:41:15 GMT -5
222 PGA Card Holders 168 Euro Card Holders is the problem. Although I don't have that much sympathy for anyone who misses registration. 2 weeks is a long time and it takes about 2 seconds. This. 222 PGA holders for 144 spots on average fields.... |
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I did register for Euro, but as of tomorrow PGA card holders will be out of luck (not able to register or Euro)
