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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 7:20:29 GMT -5
Augusta National Golf Club was founded by Bobby Jones, the legendary amateur champion, and Clifford Roberts, an astute investment banker in New York. Jones helped design the golf course, working alongside the esteemed British architect Dr. Alister Mackenzie. Jones's popularity within the game helped attract golf's biggest stars to the Masters, beginning with the inaugural event in 1934.
Setting out to do this project, I received a ton of feedback along the way. The resources I used were Aerial flyovers from the 2013 masters, Pro comments, various news sites, detail photo's. Many of the elevations are replicated in great detail. Even 10, where a 350 yard drive is possible down the left side, ride side, you might get 300 etc.....
3 versions have been released. Same tees, however different firmness. Members, Masters and Championship Masters.
The members version proved early on, with it's medium firmness, to be a visually intimidating course, but throwing darts into the receptive greens tamed the beast, the Masters version with it's medium hard firmness starts throwing the ball away from the hole leaving harder putts, the Masters Championship version brings bogies and 3 putts into the mix. All the versions have tough greens.
A slight miss on the approach on 8 throws you down the 9th fairway, depending on version, it's not clear where it will stop.
Enough said, pick a version, and go play.
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 10, 2014 9:37:12 GMT -5
I just played a round on the masters champions controller breaking edition.
I'm pretty inconsistent but didn't make too many huge errors by my standard. I hit +8 and will be happy to make par there.
Would be good to see the best go at it on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 10:37:05 GMT -5
I just played a round on the masters champions controller breaking edition. I'm pretty inconsistent but didn't make too many huge errors by my standard. I hit +8 and will be happy to make par there. Would be good to see the best go at it on this one. I went a decent -5
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Post by silap on Nov 10, 2014 11:57:37 GMT -5
+2 on Masters Version ... now that played a lot differently than the walk in the park version. People say no first timer will have a shot at the Masters title. They won't at this course. Job well done!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 14:16:05 GMT -5
i am not a fan of the greens on the masters champions edition and i get why it snapdecks called it the breaking edition.
the putts seem very sluggish when you initially hit them which forces you to hit it harder but then your putts to roll so far past the cup it gets ridiculous.
for example on hole 8 i had a putt for a birdie from not far away but it rolled past by about 10ft for the reason i mentioned.
other than the greens i think the course is fantastic steve so please take no offence.
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Post by thrangar on Nov 11, 2014 0:14:44 GMT -5
Members ed 9.5 and faved
I have no personal knowledge of actual course but I like this one!
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Post by silap on Nov 11, 2014 5:50:26 GMT -5
i am not a fan of the greens on the masters champions edition and i get why it snapdecks called it the breaking edition. the putts seem very sluggish when you initially hit them which forces you to hit it harder but then your putts to roll so far past the cup it gets ridiculous. for example on hole 8 i had a putt for a birdie from not far away but it rolled past by about 10ft for the reason i mentioned. other than the greens i think the course is fantastic steve so please take no offence. I haven't played the champions edition and as I'm quite fond of my DS4 I don't dare to just yet When you miss an easy putt, especially downhill I can imagine the frustration when you're leaving yourself a 10 foot putt to save par (at best). I must say I had such a teethgrinding "ohw COME ON!" moment only once on the Masters version. Now that I have improved my putting tactics I'm able to score in the low 60's on a lot of courses, sometimes even on my first try. That's not what I'm looking for in this game. I want to be challenged and the Masters version really gave me a a challenge and the need to improve my game and/or gameplan. So to you Steve, I tip my hat and say thank you! You have showed great determination to get the job done. The course needs two more thinks i.m.h.o.: - Hopefully HB Studios will upgrade the GNCD with Azaleas in bloom so you can give the course that April feel - Anytime soon you will be able to give this gem four different pin positions; that'll make this beast roar even more
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 11, 2014 5:57:00 GMT -5
I've played the masters champs course a few times now and got it down to +2 I think it was, this course is a challenge for me and I enjoy the way it plays even at 187 feet for putting speed. Some of the greens are so unforgiving with the different levels, I've hit shots that looks great but it's not exactly as I planned then I watch the balls slowly make it's way far far away and off the green in a totally different direction in many cases lol I've managed to birdie a few holes, just miss a couple of eagles and par every hole at some stage often with over 10mph wind. I enjoy working out the way the greens roll and deliver. I can't remember which par 3 on the front nine but it's about 225 to the pin and down a fair bit with a bunker at the front. Hitting the right club it bounces on the fairway and enters the left bit of the green then rolls right and to the back of the green and delivers back to the hole. Feels good when it works. This is the only hole I've started to work out on a difficult course. But now I'm away with the other half for a couple of days so I'm sure I'll come back to some low scores from others Psn: snapdecks, feel free to add if u wanna round of any course/difficulty.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 5:59:36 GMT -5
hole 4 snapdecks. that is a very good hole purely because you can take it all the way to the back of the green and let it roll back to the pin. you have to be careful though as it can race back further than you think.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 8:53:35 GMT -5
I learned a fair bit about the game spending about a billion hours building that course. I went with every combination of speed and firmness and settled in on the fastest of fast greens. Fastest of fast I'm also not a huge fan of in any event as well, I agree with a few others, it just does not feel right. But this is Augusta, and anything less also did not feel right. Augusta has some holes where the ball will roll and roll on the greens, taking the slider down any notch and watching the ball stop on some of those slopes gave me an odd feeling in the pit of my stomach. 16 for example, watching the tapes, that green can feed a ball all day long and forever. Slower greens just did not deliver that result. Seeing the ball stop with a 36 foot putt and 30 inch downhill slope was just not right, just not Augusta.
But what I did learn most, was firmness is a the largest factor of them all. Hole 4 for example. Every version has the fastest of fast greens, but hole 4, keeping in mind I played in 1 MPH wind, can go from flying dead aim 5 wood to aim left 3 iron and feed to the hole from back of green. Up many of night getting that shot to never fall enough to end up in front bunker if hit within a fairly large margin of error through the front shoot at the front of the green. 16 is the same, the further you aim right the better, there is the perfect shot and hole out there, but again depending on firmness is how far you need to aim right. The champ version you have to aim almost as high as the right bunker, the members version a few feet right should still be fine. 12 is the same, had many of very near hole outs there, but the shot is middle of green with a very very small margin of error.
So hopefully I'm making my case why I went against my better judgement and went with the fastest of fast greens. With that said however, this was not your typical just jack the slider up and hope for high scores and throw all balls a mile from hole. A great deal of work went into ensuring there was a shot to that hole on every hole, albeit in some case with a very small margin of error. 15 is another example, one of my favorites, where is the easy birdie on that short par 5? 10 looking for the 350 yard drive, it's there, but so is the 280 and still in the same fairway.
Even the champ version will deliver a low score, but if you do happen to go low, I'm fairly certain the sense of accomplishment would be so great, you would close out and take a break to revel in that for a while. It would mean you played great, not good, but great, maybe even the best yet.
I'm so happy people are liking the course, you will get used to the greens eventually, you will not likely play it well your first time out, it will frustrate you, it will dazzle you, that's the genius in the design of Augusta. I'm so glad when I read any of the above reactions from people, it tells me I almost delivered the Augusta experience.
With all that said, as I said before, I would in a heartbeat give the file to any top designer to pretty that course up, that's where I fell short IMHO, that seems to be beyond my capability, I'm just not that creative and have no problem admitting that.
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Post by snapdecks on Nov 11, 2014 9:47:22 GMT -5
Steve, those greens are hard and unforgiving yet rewarding. They temp you to come back again and again as you learn more or try another option. Reading your last post I'm glad there is the option there for us to play it as you the designer and fellow that has sunk countless hours into it feels is most accurate from your research. Has anyone here actually played Augusta in person? I'd like to know their opinion. To make par It's not uncommon for me to be pulling 20ft putts that arc say five ft to ensure a safe tap in par. I'm sure low numbers will come from many but I hope if this is used in a tgc comp the the champs edition is used. Then it might actually be the case we don't see crazy low scores unless someone played phenomenally.
The champions course is absolutely not a pick up and destroy first time around for most people.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 15, 2014 8:44:13 GMT -5
Great work! Those approach shots will take some figuring out...
Is that really how 10 looks? Never realised that fairway had a drop so severe splitting right and left side of fairway. Just thought it was gradually sloping down and to the left, not a near vertical drop in the middle of the fairway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 9:05:03 GMT -5
Great work! Those approach shots will take some figuring out... Is that really how 10 looks? Never realised that fairway had a drop so severe splitting right and left side of fairway. Just thought it was gradually sloping down and to the left, not a near vertical drop in the middle of the fairway. "I'm a ski nut, and I think 10 is a blue run on any given mountain," 2007 champion Zach Johnson says.
10 was a tough nut to crack, the slope is supposed to be 110 feet down to the bottom of the fairway, where the green is then elevated, that's why from the tee it might say down 75 feet. I started first by getting the green 110 feet down, worked on the fairway then raised the green. Then I had to get the drive down the left hand side to go in access of 300 + yards and the drive down the right side to go much less. In doing the later though because of the physics of the game I needed to make a choice, pretty would not produce the result, to produce the result was not pretty. I went with produce the result as the hole is a mile long and there should be a reward for nailing the right drive down the left hand side.
Hopefully that explains my reasoning for 10, I tried several different things there like all drives in fairway to go down the hill etc, so I went with real result, but I agree it looks a little ugly down there, the shadows hide some of that crap good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 5:15:08 GMT -5
Wow ... Nice job, given the tools that you have to work with ... while it may not be a Perfect rendition of this marvelous and difficult course. It is very well done and probably the closest I will ever get to playing this place.
A very well done effort, glad I only played the member's course, as I left my 'A' putter in my other bag ... I struggled on these wicked fast greens ... By leaving a lot short ....
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only after I putted past them by 20 feet on the 1st putt (argh!) ... so, 3 putts was mostly on the menu this day.
However, I rated it a 8.5 and instantly made it a favorite, vowing to return for another round to gain my vengeance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 10:19:22 GMT -5
Look what I found.
My course is on the simulator.
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