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Post by tastegw on Jul 20, 2015 23:12:03 GMT -5
Would you rather have a tucked pin that calls for the approach to be played for a GIR and have a lengthy birdie putt or a pin you can fire away at but on a severe slope?
both scenarios offer up chances at three putting, but in very different ways.
tucked pin, long putt could have been poorly executed leaving a 2nd put that's not a gimme sloped pin, you can miss from different angles and have a longer second put than your first, 4 putts are also quite possible here
just wondering y'all's thoughts, if I had to guess, I'd say most of you want the sloped pins.
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Post by coruler2 on Jul 20, 2015 23:13:26 GMT -5
Long putting in this game is really hard, especially if down and side-sloped. So I think I'd vote sloped pin. At least there's a few more options on how you can approach it.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jul 20, 2015 23:56:36 GMT -5
A pin should never be on a severe slope.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jul 21, 2015 1:09:45 GMT -5
Tucked pins are great and they feel great when you ca get one close. Don't want 18 tucked pins (nor 18 on a severe slope) but if I had my choice definitely tucked pinned.
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Post by shootermcgavin on Jul 21, 2015 2:25:10 GMT -5
Tucked pins, and pins on moderate slopes. I like the idea of having to sometimes play for the middle of a green, or using the rough/fringe to land the ball, and get a roll out on to the green. You have to remember that tucked pins on hard fast greens are going to be brutal, so dialing down the firmness is always a good idea. Pins on slopes are ok, as long as the slope is not too severe. I played the pga event this week for fun, and that last day pin set up was how not to do it. Crazy slopes that had me putting off the green, on what was otherwise a fantastic course. So for me a mix of both is good, but done correctly makes for an excellent challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 3:00:29 GMT -5
Tucked pins, preferably six of those hard ones, then six average ones (still fairly tough), then six that should offer birdie opportunities (but not ridiculously easy).
Pins on crazy slopes are poor, you need to be able to stop your ball within a couple of feet of the hole when putting. We're not playing crazy golf here.
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Post by mav78 on Jul 21, 2015 5:29:20 GMT -5
As this is a game i overlook some of the shocking pin locations in the name of making it tougher. Although there arent rules for these kind of things - there isnt a rule.saying you cant put a hole.in a bunker - just recommendations and best practices, i prefer pins that are on no or minimal slope.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 21, 2015 6:17:49 GMT -5
People have no right to whinge about pin positions if they can still shoot comfortably under par. It's a game and courses need some protection from people shooting -18 every round.
It only becomes a problem when it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to 2 putt, but I've yet to experience a pin position like that in a TGCT tournament
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 7:22:18 GMT -5
Just played next weeks course on the Challenge Circuit. An example of a really good tucked pin defending par is the par 3 on the back nine on setup D. 5 wood/3 iron approach in, can't get near the pin, 30 foot putt for birdie downhill. No crazy slopes near/on the hole just a really tough pin position. Not many will birdie that one. Fantastic course by the way, highly recommended. Loa Pali.
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Post by Pubknight on Jul 21, 2015 8:42:19 GMT -5
Would prefer tucked pins you have to shoot away from and putt at. The problem is, with the game mechanics the way they are the 'best' scoring play is likely to go at the tucked flag and try to chip it in. And that's just wrong. So I really believe you have to have some slope around the hole to (at the very least) protect the hole from a couple of directions.
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Post by nevadaballin on Jul 21, 2015 8:53:26 GMT -5
Depends on the firmness and green speed.
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Post by tastegw on Jul 21, 2015 9:30:26 GMT -5
Would prefer tucked pins you have to shoot away from and putt at. The problem is, with the game mechanics the way they are the 'best' scoring play is likely to go at the tucked flag and try to chip it in. And that's just wrong. So I really believe you have to have some slope around the hole to (at the very least) protect the hole from a couple of directions. what about a deep green, no place really to chip from unless you do it from the green itself. or are you talking about coming up short?
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Post by Pubknight on Jul 21, 2015 9:50:53 GMT -5
what about a deep green, no place really to chip from unless you do it from the green itself. or are you talking about coming up short? I was picturing a couple of holes I've played in PGA/Open events recently... one had a tucked pin right, behind a bunker, in something of a little 'bowl'. In normal golf, I would play for the centre of the green, and putt to the cup. It would have been around a 30' putt. In game, I fired into the rough right of the flag... hoping it would bounce and trickle to the flag. But if it didn't and stuck in the rough, it was a very makeable chip, and if I missed the chip, it was a tap in par. The chip was more makeable than the putt. Pretty sure it was on University Links... blanking on which hole. 18 on University Links... day 4 I think, (maybe day 3, but I think day 4) was another good example. Peanut shaped green, flag was on the right 'small head' of the peanut. Playing for the thick part of the green and putting for the flag (the regular golf play) was actually a much worse play than just firing at the flag. The green was so small around the flag that you weren't holding it (without a very beneficial wind), so you were certainly going to be in the rough. But any spot in the rough was a fairly easy lob wedge chip shot. I almost think a flag in the middle of a large green, but with countours around it is the best way to make people have to negotiate to tough pins with the putter. Personally, I think a GIR should always be the better/smarter play... I'm just not sure (as I'm trying to explain) if the game makes that 'golf truism' still true with tucked pins. And I'm not even very good with the chipping mechanics. I'm sure there are guys much better than me that that greenside rough chip is their go-to % shot.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jul 21, 2015 10:19:16 GMT -5
There is no doubt a long hilly putt is worse off than a chip or flop shot most of the time in this game.
I often find myself rooting for the ball to reach the fringe when it is trickling away from the hole on a big green.
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Jul 21, 2015 10:21:08 GMT -5
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