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Post by b101 on Jul 9, 2020 12:34:57 GMT -5
Lakes at the Preserve - not approved.
Only two pinsets
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Post by b101 on Jul 9, 2020 12:36:17 GMT -5
Palmetto Golf Club - not approved.
Only one pinset and the yardage you submitted doesn't match the course in-game. Please check.
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Post by b101 on Jul 9, 2020 12:40:09 GMT -5
Pinehurst Lakes - not approved.
Major sculpting issues, particularly with bunkers, which tend to collapse in on themselves. Additionally, see previous advice to others about how to spline fairway around them rather than having the two textures simply overlap.
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Post by b101 on Jul 9, 2020 12:41:24 GMT -5
Crystal Lake RI (Lidar) - not approved.
Doesn't have four pinsets.
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Post by b101 on Jul 9, 2020 12:42:39 GMT -5
Mint Valley WA (Lidar)
Name of course was incorrect. Also, doesn't have four pinsets.
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Post by matthew_titots on Jul 9, 2020 19:13:06 GMT -5
Backlog - lot of courses coming in at the moment. I saw the email where Wallaby Creek GC was not approved. Just looking fore some feedback as to what was lacking. I thought this was an easy approval but maybe I have made some oversights.
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Post by mattf27 on Jul 10, 2020 11:34:48 GMT -5
The Beaverhead Lake Club - not approved Doesn't have 4 pinsets.
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Post by mattf27 on Jul 10, 2020 11:37:54 GMT -5
Backlog - lot of courses coming in at the moment. I saw the email where Wallaby Creek GC was not approved. Just looking fore some feedback as to what was lacking. I thought this was an easy approval but maybe I have made some oversights. Sorry, I'm not sure how to copy picture links, so I can't include the pictures referenced in the notes. But, what I can copy over is here: "This was very close, I thought the designer gave the course a distinctive look. Sculpting and planting were fine in general. I did not approve because there were just too many fairways like the three shown below, as well as that postage-stamp green #7, which would be OK on a 100 yard hole but not 175 yds. surrounded by water. Also, about half of the holes had cut paths to get around, half did not, a couple would have been difficult to traverse. I would never not approve for that but he should "pick a side and commit" as they said on Third Rock from the Sun."
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Post by mattf27 on Jul 10, 2020 11:47:57 GMT -5
Oceanside National - not approved I was a little torn on this one. It doesn't do anything egregiously wrong, but it's missing the basic polish we'd expect of database courses. The sculpting and bunkering are a little wonky, the planting feels very copy/paste, and the layout, while fine, isn't particularly exciting. All the greens are mostly flat ovals.
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Post by matthew_titots on Jul 10, 2020 11:51:37 GMT -5
I saw the email where Wallaby Creek GC was not approved. Just looking fore some feedback as to what was lacking. I thought this was an easy approval but maybe I have made some oversights. Sorry, I'm not sure how to copy picture links, so I can't include the pictures referenced in the notes. But, what I can copy over is here: "This was very close, I thought the designer gave the course a distinctive look. Sculpting and planting were fine in general. I did not approve because there were just too many fairways like the three shown below, as well as that postage-stamp green #7, which would be OK on a 100 yard hole but not 175 yds. surrounded by water. Also, about half of the holes had cut paths to get around, half did not, a couple would have been difficult to traverse. I would never not approve for that but he should "pick a side and commit" as they said on Third Rock from the Sun."
No worries - and I appreciate the feedback. I wonder what is being referred to about the 3 fairways in question. Going through in my head I couldn't think of any fairways that would be problematic. Whether I disagree or not, it would be helpful to know what the problem is for my next project. Regarding the green on #7, I can see the size not being preferred, but it is over 30 yards deep, and about 15 wide at its max. And there is land short for the player to bail out, not like an island green. With regards to the paths, I agree in general. I withheld on a few holes that I thought looked better from the tee without them. That was my thought process behind that.
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Post by b101 on Jul 10, 2020 12:04:38 GMT -5
Wasn't my review, but here are the pictures in question:
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Post by matthew_titots on Jul 10, 2020 12:14:27 GMT -5
Wasn't my review, but here are the pictures in question: Thanks for posting this. I don't know what is problematic with these fairways, if I'm being honest. Not trying to be annoying, just failing to understand.
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Post by b101 on Jul 10, 2020 12:28:43 GMT -5
Based on the angle you're hitting at, there's barely any way to hold them, particularly once you factor wind in. Especially with the bottom left image. Same with the green - even for a major course I'd be making them at least 50% bigger. When the strategy is just 'can you hit the perfect shot?' it tends to get dull very quickly and it's punitive. By all means pinch a fairway at points (15 yards would be the narrowest I'd go for) but if you do that, you really should be widening it where a player can layup.
As a frame of reference, Old Ainsdale GC (which will be hosting the Open) has fairways that are around 35 yards wide at default.
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Post by matthew_titots on Jul 10, 2020 12:40:39 GMT -5
Based on the angle you're hitting at, there's barely any way to hold them, particularly once you factor wind in. Especially with the bottom left image. Same with the green - even for a major course I'd be making them at least 50% bigger. When the strategy is just 'can you hit the perfect shot?' it tends to get dull very quickly and it's punitive. By all means pinch a fairway at points (15 yards would be the narrowest I'd go for) but if you do that, you really should be widening it where a player can layup. As a frame of reference, Old Ainsdale GC (which will be hosting the Open) has fairways that are around 35 yards wide at default. I'd agree if these weren't the 3 shortest par 4's on the course - the longest of these is 371. To me, those short areas should be the hardest to hit if the player wants to hit a 220 yard shot off of the tee. I think there are plenty of options offered to the player that will land them in the fairway and leave no more than a short iron. Oh well.
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Post by matthew_titots on Jul 11, 2020 15:35:40 GMT -5
Based on the angle you're hitting at, there's barely any way to hold them, particularly once you factor wind in. Especially with the bottom left image. Same with the green - even for a major course I'd be making them at least 50% bigger. When the strategy is just 'can you hit the perfect shot?' it tends to get dull very quickly and it's punitive. By all means pinch a fairway at points (15 yards would be the narrowest I'd go for) but if you do that, you really should be widening it where a player can layup. As a frame of reference, Old Ainsdale GC (which will be hosting the Open) has fairways that are around 35 yards wide at default. I'd agree if these weren't the 3 shortest par 4's on the course - the longest of these is 371. To me, those short areas should be the hardest to hit if the player wants to hit a 220 yard shot off of the tee. I think there are plenty of options offered to the player that will land them in the fairway and leave no more than a short iron. Oh well. Okay - last plea. It’s got 8 likes on TGC Course page already so it’s not just my subjective opinion that it’s a worthy course
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