Reaching out for Tempo Advice

[JosiaDB]

Hey all, reaching out here for some advice, on a subject that I imagine I'm not the only person it could help.

Here is the situation-

I've never been good at this game, I admit and know that, and most who have been in societies with me know that also.   But I do enjoy the game and like to play it.  Although I have played when younger, I haven't played real golf in years, so I don't have the same drive most of you have to play this game over everything else in my library.  I prefer to play no more than two rounds a day, and I don't play every day.   Just a casual pc golfer.  I like my settings realistic, but fun.

Anyway, tempo has always been my biggest issue.  I know the strategies involved, and can figure out where to place the ball.   My whole issue is my tempo has never been consistent, so the ball never goes where I know it should go.

I've played this game since the first one, so at this point to say give it a couple months/years is not working.

Around six months or so ago, I had got to a point that I was getting fairly consistent.    Then I started upgrading my hardware.  I was not upgrading for this golf game, my main reason for upgrading was because my PC was way out of date, and it was time, and mainly for games like Starfield, Baulders Gate 3, and other newer games-  I was below min requirements.  But, since I was upgrading, I thought hey, this should help out my frame rates and stuff, and help me a bit in the golf game.     Sadly, it has only gotten progressively worse, MUCH worse.   Its to the point now the game is nigh unplayable.

My current hardware should be good.  PC, intel i5-13600, Nvidia 4070ti, 32G RAM, M.2 drives, etc.   I'm running a PS Ds5 controller.  Brand new router, 2.5ghz ethernet inside, spectrum 500G outside.  So all should be good, and I'm not interested in spending any money for new hardware for golf, since everything else is running great.

As said, back before upgrading, I had gotten to where I was fairly consistent with tempo.   Not great, but at least consistent.    During my upgrade process, due to problems there, I had to go back and forth between playing on my old machine and new machine.    It wasn't until around the end of July or so that the new machine got worked out so I could stay with it.    Everything was going great, except for golf tempo.  I noticed that for whatever reason, my tempo had taken a turn for inconsistency that I simply could not grasp or explain. 

Just about two weeks ago, I finally figured out how to get my controller to work wirelessly, something I wanted to do because from the old controller thread, everyone had said that is the way to go.  That running the DS5 wirelessly was like 8000mhz or something compared to 1000-  I don't remember off hand the exact wording, but it was supposed to be tons better, when dealing with tempo.  

But for me its worse.  its much much worse.   As in,  now, I can't go over two holes without getting VERY fasts or very slows or out of the grey area.  Shots are all over the place.    My main problem is that I can't figure out what is consistent, in order to practice or fix it.     When I hit a shot, in my mind,  I think oh man that felt fast, and it registers as a very slow.    or vice versa.  But not all the time!  sometimes it feels fast and it IS fast.  But other times it feels fast and it says slow.   and sometimes it feels wrong and its perfect.  But other times it feels perfect and it is.      Its very maddening, because I can't even play for fast or slow and aim accordingly because I can't trust what I feel the shot to be.

So all that said, if you read that giant wall of text, I would love it if anyone has any advice for me.     Is there anything in there that I said, that you see and say, oh, this is what you are doing wrong, or this is what you unfortunately need to live with?

Appreciate all of you, you are a great community!  

[Deleted]

I have the same card as you 4070ti and also 32gb of Ram though my processor is a Ryzen 5800x3D also same type of storage m.2.
Honestly I went back and forth between my DS4 and DS5 for a while, now I use the Razer and I really like the faster tempo needed for that controller. Most of the time I have shot feedback off but it is obvious my missed greens are poor swingplane rather than slice/hooks, swingplane is much morechallenging with the Wolverine, this has always been my biggest weakness so my fittings have always swingplane related with all the controllers. But even with that and legend difficulty being much harder on swingplane I really love the controller.
Regarding your tempo, you need to find one that you can replicate easiest when calibrating, for me it's a faster one. I honestly can't remember hitting a real bad very/fast slow for some time.
Also regarding your polling rate for your DS5, you could just overclock it through USB rather than going through Bluetooth.

[SteelVike]

"Just about two weeks ago, I finally figured out how to get my controller to work wirelessly, something I wanted to do because from the old controller thread, everyone had said that is the way to go. That running the DS5 wirelessly was like 8000mhz or something compared to 1000- I don't remember off hand the exact wording, but it was supposed to be tons better, when dealing with tempo."


You must have misread that old controller thread because running your controller wirelessly is much worse for tempo than wired.

[JosiaDB]

Sept 7, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -5 SteelVike said:

"Just about two weeks ago, I finally figured out how to get my controller to work wirelessly, something I wanted to do because from the old controller thread, everyone had said that is the way to go. That running the DS5 wirelessly was like 8000mhz or something compared to 1000- I don't remember off hand the exact wording, but it was supposed to be tons better, when dealing with tempo."


You must have misread that old controller thread because running your controller wirelessly is much worse for tempo than wired.

Went back and looked/reread.   Heh, I said 8000, I should have said 800.

But, I was going off posts like this one from fadgewacker  

Even "plugging in" a Sony controller doesn't give you better performance. It DROPS the poll rate from 800hz (standard on Dualshock and Dualsense) to 250hz.Jyst so happened that the lower poll allowed a calibration to work advantageously in previous games.

and this one from Blade

The video posted is exactly what I used to overclock my PS controller. Very simple to do.
My tests:
PS5 DS controller on USB cable out of the box: average 4 ms report density (how often the controller talks to the computer), did not measure jitter (packet delay measure)
PS controller on USB after overclocking using the technique described in the video: average 0.9 ms report density, 0.11 ms jitter
PS controller on Bluetooth after overclocking: average 1.9 ms report density, 1.5 ms jitter
Xbox controller using MS wireless USB stick: 8 ms report density, 1.8 ms jitter
Xbox controller on USB cable: 8 ms report density, 0.21 ms jitter

Bottom line, USB-c connected PS5 DS controller has the highest refresh rate and lowest jitter.

Since I am not overclocking, from those two quotes, I would deduce that bluetooth (1.9ms, 1.5 jitter, 800hz poll rate)  "should" be better than non overclocked usb (4ms, 250mhz poll)

Am I interpreting that correctly?

And @hammers1man what you said about replicating the tempo best for me when calibrating... is it possible that the slower rate is better for me, based on my ability/mind?   I do notice when I calibrate, I don't seem to have this problem.   which is also confusing.  I go calibrate and I hit 9 of 10 of them straight as an arrow and beautiful shots.

[Deleted]

Sept 7, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -5 SteelVike said:

"Just about two weeks ago, I finally figured out how to get my controller to work wirelessly, something I wanted to do because from the old controller thread, everyone had said that is the way to go. That running the DS5 wirelessly was like 8000mhz or something compared to 1000- I don't remember off hand the exact wording, but it was supposed to be tons better, when dealing with tempo."


You must have misread that old controller thread because running your controller wirelessly is much worse for tempo than wired.

Not sure why you think that as PlayStation controllers are 250Hz wired before overclocking and 800Hz wireless. So less latency wireless and more accurate tempo results. You could say the same for a 1000 Hz mouse. Now whether this makes it harder or easier is down to how good your own tempo is.

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Sept 7, 2023 11:25:00 GMT -5 JosiaDB said:

Sept 7, 2023 10:58:41 GMT -5 SteelVike said:

"Just about two weeks ago, I finally figured out how to get my controller to work wirelessly, something I wanted to do because from the old controller thread, everyone had said that is the way to go. That running the DS5 wirelessly was like 8000mhz or something compared to 1000- I don't remember off hand the exact wording, but it was supposed to be tons better, when dealing with tempo."


You must have misread that old controller thread because running your controller wirelessly is much worse for tempo than wired.

Went back and looked/reread.   Heh, I said 8000, I should have said 800.

But, I was going off posts like this one from fadgewacker  

Even "plugging in" a Sony controller doesn't give you better performance. It DROPS the poll rate from 800hz (standard on Dualshock and Dualsense) to 250hz.Jyst so happened that the lower poll allowed a calibration to work advantageously in previous games.

and this one from Blade

The video posted is exactly what I used to overclock my PS controller. Very simple to do.
My tests:
PS5 DS controller on USB cable out of the box: average 4 ms report density (how often the controller talks to the computer), did not measure jitter (packet delay measure)
PS controller on USB after overclocking using the technique described in the video: average 0.9 ms report density, 0.11 ms jitter
PS controller on Bluetooth after overclocking: average 1.9 ms report density, 1.5 ms jitter
Xbox controller using MS wireless USB stick: 8 ms report density, 1.8 ms jitter
Xbox controller on USB cable: 8 ms report density, 0.21 ms jitter

Bottom line, USB-c connected PS5 DS controller has the highest refresh rate and lowest jitter.

Since I am not overclocking, from those two quotes, I would deduce that bluetooth (1.9ms, 1.5 jitter, 800hz poll rate)  "should" be better than non overclocked usb (4ms, 250mhz poll)

Am I interpreting that correctly?

And @hammers1man what you said about replicating the tempo best for me when calibrating... is it possible that the slower rate is better for me, based on my ability/mind?   I do notice when I calibrate, I don't seem to have this problem.   which is also confusing.  I go calibrate and I hit 9 of 10 of them straight as an arrow and beautiful shots.

Those straight shots in calibrating are close to the stock calibration if they go straight. I like a faster calibration so when I calibrate my shots they have a draw or hook to them. I find a faster tempo easier to replicate and I also can hit slighter faster for a nice draw off the tee with my in to out swingplane.
Also I don't need to adjust as much for partial pitch shots as much as I found the slower tempo needed when the game sets intent very difficult with the PS controllers as it felt an unnatural slow was needed.
Why don't you try calibrating with a faster tempo and just learn that, you could get more consistency like I do.

[JosiaDB]

Sept 7, 2023 11:56:11 GMT -5 @hammers1man said:

Those straight shots in calibrating are close to the stock calibration if they go straight. I like a faster calibration so when I calibrate my shots they have a draw or hook to them. I find a faster tempo easier to replicate and I also can hit slighter faster for a nice draw off the tee with my in to out swingplane.
Also I don't need to adjust as much for partial pitch shots as much as I found the slower tempo needed when the game sets intent very difficult with the PS controllers as it felt an unnatural slow was needed.
Why don't you try calibrating with a faster tempo and just learn that, you could get more consistency like I do.

So to make sure I am understanding, are you saying when I calibrate, to intentionally hit it faster tempo than I normally would think to do on those 10 shots?   not worry about trying to hit perfects, but intentionally sail them to the left?

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Sept 7, 2023 12:16:30 GMT -5 JosiaDB said:

Sept 7, 2023 11:56:11 GMT -5 @hammers1man said:

Those straight shots in calibrating are close to the stock calibration if they go straight. I like a faster calibration so when I calibrate my shots they have a draw or hook to them. I find a faster tempo easier to replicate and I also can hit slighter faster for a nice draw off the tee with my in to out swingplane.
Also I don't need to adjust as much for partial pitch shots as much as I found the slower tempo needed when the game sets intent very difficult with the PS controllers as it felt an unnatural slow was needed.
Why don't you try calibrating with a faster tempo and just learn that, you could get more consistency like I do.

So to make sure I am understanding, are you saying when I calibrate, to intentionally hit it faster tempo than I normally would think to do on those 10 shots?   not worry about trying to hit perfects, but intentionally sail them to the left?

Calibrating is about repeating the same timing. So if you want a faster tempo in the game you need to hit 10 faster downswings in calibration, it's not about hitting it straight just repeating the same shot 10 times. For me a faster tempo feels better and I know I have to hit a pretty fast downswing to actually hit a big hook(very fast tempo)

[Brenelan]

Anecdotally, when I built my new computer (not quite up to your specs, very nice!), I tried playing both wired and wireless. Wired seemed considerably better, but can't say I put a ton of hours in on the wireless side.

On the calibration side, I've only done it once and that was when I purchased a new PS5 controller and couldn't stop hitting fasts. I just hit ten normal (so fast) swings, and it seemed to help. I've always assumed I'll screw it up if I try to purposely hit fast/slows during calibration.

[Blade]

Look back at my post - the 4ms was out of the box wired and the Bluetooth was faster than that, but only after overclocking.

Also, look at the jitter (delay in packet - this can impact tempo) for wireless - the highest of all of them. 

I play plugged in as I found it the best for my game. I still am unhappy about my tempo as well, but I am typically around the perfect zone rather than way fast or way slow (like I was getting all the time with my XBOX controller).

[JosiaDB]

Sept 7, 2023 13:14:56 GMT -5 Blade said:

Look back at my post - the 4ms was out of the box wired and the Bluetooth was faster than that, but only after overclocking.

Also, look at the jitter (delay in packet - this can impact tempo) for wireless - the highest of all of them. 

I play plugged in as I found it the best for my game. I still am unhappy about my tempo as well, but I am typically around the perfect zone rather than way fast or way slow (like I was getting all the time with my XBOX controller).

I totally missed that.  Every time I have read your post, I read it as bluetooth out of box.  thank you for bringing that to my attention!!

[kelybreez]

Unfortunately I have trouble following all of that above. Can someone just say very clearly what is best? Wired or wireless? It seems like everyone is saying that wired is best. And I have been using a wireless out-of-the-box Xbox controller… Wildly erratic. So I started using USB C cable, still erratic. I am a coordinated guy and most of the time can do the same tempo, but it continually does an extremely fast or extremely slow, and I'm talking about all the way to the far edges of those. Any thoughts? Anything would be appreciated.

In fact, is a wired Razer best? Seems like someone mentioned that. What are the best wired controllers?

[longpole]

Oct 30, 2023 21:59:10 GMT -5 kelybreez said:

Unfortunately I have trouble following all of that above. Can someone just say very clearly what is best? Wired or wireless? It seems like everyone is saying that wired is best. And I have been using a wireless out-of-the-box Xbox controller… Wildly erratic. So I started using USB C cable, still erratic. I am a coordinated guy and most of the time can do the same tempo, but it continually does an extremely fast or extremely slow, and I'm talking about all the way to the far edges of those. Any thoughts? Anything would be appreciated.

In fact, is a wired Razer best? Seems like someone mentioned that. What are the best wired controllers?

The wired razor wolverine v2 , the cheaper version for the xbox is the best controller on xbox . Some of the PC boys use it 2 . Basically gives u lots more polling points on tempo which the game intends to give you, more so then the basic stock controller. And it passes api if u join up to tgc tours . The swingplane is difficult so fittings on that. Definitely calibrate with the razor . You Basically get very slows at beginning. What I did was hit 10 very slows deliberately and 10 attempts at it . Now all I get is very small fasts &slows . Plenty of practice as the swing is faster in general . Good luck

[kelybreez]

Nov 1, 2023 3:08:51 GMT -5 longpole said:

Oct 30, 2023 21:59:10 GMT -5 kelybreez said:

Unfortunately I have trouble following all of that above. Can someone just say very clearly what is best? Wired or wireless? It seems like everyone is saying that wired is best. And I have been using a wireless out-of-the-box Xbox controller… Wildly erratic. So I started using USB C cable, still erratic. I am a coordinated guy and most of the time can do the same tempo, but it continually does an extremely fast or extremely slow, and I'm talking about all the way to the far edges of those. Any thoughts? Anything would be appreciated.

In fact, is a wired Razer best? Seems like someone mentioned that. What are the best wired controllers?

The wired razor wolverine v2 , the cheaper version for the xbox is the best controller on xbox . Some of the PC boys use it 2 . Basically gives u lots more polling points on tempo which the game intends to give you, more so then the basic stock controller. And it passes api if u join up to tgc tours . The swingplane is difficult so fittings on that. Definitely calibrate with the razor . You Basically get very slows at beginning. What I did was hit 10 very slows deliberately and 10 attempts at it . Now all I get is very small fasts &slows . Plenty of practice as the swing is faster in general . Good luck

[kelybreez]

Thanks longpole, but I'm a pc user. Is the wired razer still best for pc, too?