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Post by waggy on Apr 22, 2023 9:21:10 GMT -5
Someone told me to post this here so I am.
Someone please help me understand how this is possible because this happens to me a lot and it drives me crazy. Here's a specific example.
I'm in the heavy rough. The lie percentage is between 63% and 72%. The pin distance is 150 yards away. If at best the shot is going 72% of the max club distance, then in order to hit the ball 150 yards I need a club that is going to reach 208 yards on a flat fairway. That's just basic math. So I get out my 3 iron that's about 210 yards. I hit the ball and it lands, on the fly, 220 yards away. How is that physically possible out of the heavy rough?
Then there are times I'll take the same shot and the ball will go 100 yards. How can a 210 yard club at max go only 100 yards when all else is equal, meaning same timing and lie percentage?
It makes it absolutely impossible to plan a shot. It's a total crap shoot.
So will somebody explain to me how this happens? Because it makes no logical sense to me.
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Post by sanchez on Apr 22, 2023 11:02:59 GMT -5
The simple answer is don't hit it in the rough..but i know what your saying..just guessing but downhill lie keeps it low uphill lie pops it up..wind will play a factor. I struggle to make sense like you.
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Post by Brenelan on Apr 22, 2023 11:07:16 GMT -5
I suspect there are variables we are missing (I'm guessing downhill lie, wind at the back, you fasted the ball, etc.). If you're able to capture and post it, we'd probably be able to tell you for sure.
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Post by sask3m on Apr 22, 2023 11:34:45 GMT -5
I've seen many balls go farther or shorter out of the rough than I factored in but never like OP has. Like the previous posters said there are many factors involved.
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Post by trevormendez on Apr 22, 2023 11:38:18 GMT -5
This also happens off the fairway due to the many variables mentioned above but the window of disaster is MUCH bigger out of the heavy rough.
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Post by sask3m on Apr 22, 2023 11:41:26 GMT -5
Nothing more real or maddening than overshooting a green I thought I had dialed in, lol.
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Post by waggy on Apr 22, 2023 12:41:27 GMT -5
Obviously I understand that an uphill lie the ball won't go as far. But I'm talking about a relatively flat lie in the rough, no wind, a perfect or just slightly fast swing, and the ball goes 20 yards farther on the fly than it should according to the lie range. That's what I don't get. Maybe I'll video a round or do an instant replay of one of these shots and post it here.
The last instance of this was off the tee. Driver, 275 yards. The water is 325 yards away. I should be able to land the ball on the fairway and come nowhere near the water in front. So what happens? The ball goes 325 yards on the fly into the water just making it in. My driver distance on my fittings is 66. So how the bell does that happen? How do you plan for that? I don't want to go down to a 3 wood and hurt my chances of making the green in 2. And the worst thing is, there is no consistency to this. There is no way for me to predict it happening.
As for my game itself, my long game (tee, long irons) is killing my scores. I can't hit the ball straight off the tee consistently. Irons are all over the place. I might as well close my eyes and pick one.
Short game is excellent. It's the only thing keeping me from shooting over 100 every game. Average game is between 88 and 92. Occasionally, I'll shoot in the upper 70s when the long game comes together for a round. Once I've actually broken par but that was a fluke.
In the meantime, I just finished my 2nd week of Q-School. Monday I'll be starting week 3 of Q-School. I'm going to have to have one of those fluke rounds to ever get out of Q-School. I'm usually pretty close to last each week.
In spite of my struggles, I'm actually having a blast playing this game. I can see hints of progress and the potential to have a good round. And of course scrambling for fittings to improve my chances is a crap ton of fun. A little frustrating those rounds where they give me golf balls but whatever.
My goal is to make CC-L. If I can do that, I'll be content, win or lose, come in last, next to last or whatever.
Anyway, from the answers above it seems my problem isn't an uncommon one.
Misery loves company. LOL
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Post by sask3m on Apr 22, 2023 14:24:56 GMT -5
Are you using regular balls or the amped up ones. I only ever play with default balls and I've never seen what you talk about.
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Post by waggy on Apr 22, 2023 14:52:50 GMT -5
Are you using regular balls or the amped up ones. I only ever play with default balls and I've never seen what you talk about. I only use the default ones because they're the only ones allowed on the tour. |
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Post by bubbadave on Apr 22, 2023 17:41:21 GMT -5
Are you hitting prefects? I'll have a distance of say 120 yards to the pin from the fairway. My sand wedge is 113 and my gap is 125. So, I'll dial in the gap wedge and bring it in 5 yards, plus about another three so it can roll a little. If I hit a straight shot with no wind, that ball should plop down in front of the hole. If I make a perfect, forget about any adjustments I just made. That ball is traveling 125 on the fly and rolling out 2-3 more. It pisses me off.
I put together a spreadsheet with with all of my clubs/yardages and lie percentages in 2K21 and every time I dialed it in, if I hit it near perfect and straight, it generally went that distance. So, I did the same with 2K23 and what I found was that I cross-reference my yardage vs lie and then select one club shorter because, for whatever stupid reason, the lie % doesn't line up anymore.
I've seen what you do too. I'll have a 75%, for instance in the sand, and say 28 yards to the cup. My lob splash is 37, so at 75% lie and 100% power it should plop down just past the hole. So take some off of it and hit a little lighter, right? Nope, hit a perfect and watch it sail 37 yards!
Frustrating isn't even close.
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Post by waggy on Apr 23, 2023 5:30:04 GMT -5
Are you hitting prefects? I'll have a distance of say 120 yards to the pin from the fairway. My sand wedge is 113 and my gap is 125. So, I'll dial in the gap wedge and bring it in 5 yards, plus about another three so it can roll a little. If I hit a straight shot with no wind, that ball should plop down in front of the hole. If I make a perfect, forget about any adjustments I just made. That ball is traveling 125 on the fly and rolling out 2-3 more. It pisses me off. I put together a spreadsheet with with all of my clubs/yardages and lie percentages in 2K21 and every time I dialed it in, if I hit it near perfect and straight, it generally went that distance. So, I did the same with 2K23 and what I found was that I cross-reference my yardage vs lie and then select one club shorter because, for whatever stupid reason, the lie % doesn't line up anymore. I've seen what you do too. I'll have a 75%, for instance in the sand, and say 28 yards to the cup. My lob splash is 37, so at 75% lie and 100% power it should plop down just past the hole. So take some off of it and hit a little lighter, right? Nope, hit a perfect and watch it sail 37 yards! Frustrating isn't even close. Thanks. So I'm not imagining things. Good to know. |
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Post by M.Bel_Trame on Apr 24, 2023 6:23:49 GMT -5
if the shot is almost perfect, ball in rough, tall grass...less backspin and more roll, like in real life
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Post by waggy on Apr 24, 2023 7:14:33 GMT -5
if the shot is almost perfect, ball in rough, tall grass...less backspin and more roll, like in real life Except I'm not talking about the rollout. I understand that. I'm talking about hitting a 70% lie percentage with a 200 yard club that goes 220 yards on the fly. It just shouldn't do that. Not when most of my shots off the tee go 10 yards short of the max club distance. There is an illogical inconsistency that I really don't understand. It makes it impossible to plan your shots. |
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Post by Brenelan on Apr 24, 2023 7:32:56 GMT -5
There's got to be something you're missing. I play a lot of this game, and watch quite a bit of others play online. I'll roll my eyes occasionally when I get the short or long end of the lie range calc, but I don't remember that type of yardage miss. It's almost always explainable, and if it's happening to you a lot, there's something else going on.
Can you capture a video snippet the next time?
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Post by waggy on Apr 24, 2023 7:48:51 GMT -5
There's got to be something you're missing. I play a lot of this game, and watch quite a bit of others play online. I'll roll my eyes occasionally when I get the short or long end of the lie range calc, but I don't remember that type of yardage miss. It's almost always explainable, and if it's happening to you a lot, there's something else going on. Can you capture a video snippet the next time? Sure, I'll see what I can do. It happens enough that I should be able to capture it. I understand the short hits. I expect them. If you hit the ball fast or slow, it won't travel as far. But these fly shots out of the rough with no wind make no sense. |
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