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Post by firstblitzer on Oct 17, 2022 6:29:31 GMT -5
I don't ever adjust to how a new version plays. I do the same thing I did in TGC One and if I shoot +15 from it every round, I don't care. thanks for sharing,  |
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Post by sandgroper on Oct 17, 2022 7:02:48 GMT -5
I bang my head against the wall day in and day out, why doesn’t the wall learn?
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Post by twofor22 on Oct 17, 2022 7:53:21 GMT -5
I don't ever adjust to how a new version plays. I do the same thing I did in TGC One and if I shoot +15 from it every round, I don't care. The fact that you repeatedly whinge about how your method doesn't work anymore says otherwise. |
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Post by JosiaDB on Oct 17, 2022 10:23:30 GMT -5
I was going to post a thread with these question and hope that @hammers1man would chime in, and here it is already!
Thank you!
You helped me learn to putt in 2K21 and I am determined to learn partial shots this go around. I figured out that the tempo of your down swing should basically match the backswing to get it right. I did not know why though. I did not know pulling the marker closer slowed your tempo.
So is that the reason that the tempo is slower on the irons than the driver- because your marker is 100 yds away instead of 270, with the shorter club? And chipping on to the green, if you are only 5-10 yds away at that point, is that why the very fasts always seem to happen? because I'm chipping with the same tempo I was using at 100 yds?
Another question I have is distance in rough and sand. How do you know where to stop your backswing and start down, based on how far away you are and your lie? Like, in any given situation, lets say I'm in rough, and it tells me 68-75% lie penalty, and I'm using a lob wedge which will go 60some yds at 100%, and I'm 35 yds away. How do you figure all that up to know where in your back swing you would start going back down? Every shot, any of those numbers could be different, and thats one thing I'm having trouble figuring out how to do.
Thanks!
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Post by schmiff on Oct 17, 2022 11:26:14 GMT -5
I was going to post a thread with these question and hope that @hammers1man would chime in, and here it is already!
Thank you!
You helped me learn to putt in 2K21 and I am determined to learn partial shots this go around. I figured out that the tempo of your down swing should basically match the backswing to get it right. I did not know why though. I did not know pulling the marker closer slowed your tempo.
So is that the reason that the tempo is slower on the irons than the driver- because your marker is 100 yds away instead of 270, with the shorter club? And chipping on to the green, if you are only 5-10 yds away at that point, is that why the very fasts always seem to happen? because I'm chipping with the same tempo I was using at 100 yds?
Another question I have is distance in rough and sand. How do you know where to stop your backswing and start down, based on how far away you are and your lie? Like, in any given situation, lets say I'm in rough, and it tells me 68-75% lie penalty, and I'm using a lob wedge which will go 60some yds at 100%, and I'm 35 yds away. How do you figure all that up to know where in your back swing you would start going back down? Every shot, any of those numbers could be different, and thats one thing I'm having trouble figuring out how to do.
Thanks!
There's no substitute for trial and error, but here's what I've been doing - let's say I have a splash shot from a bunker on to a flat green and the pin is 20 yards away. I move the marker to a point where I think the ball should fly to, let's say 6 yards from the hole, or 14 yards from my current position. Then if the lie is say, 67%, I'll do some quick maths to work out that 14 yards is 67% of 21 yards, and move the marker to 21 yards. Then I switch to practice shot mode and practice shots until I'm consistently getting light grey distance/power feedback (or preferably white, but that only seems to appear for the exact correct %), then switch to normal and take the shot with the muscle memory. I often add a bit of backspin to calm the ball a little bit, and if the green is downhill then move the marker way back (this is mostly guesswork). I'm mostly getting it pretty close when I don't fluff the tempo but it's hard to avoid the very fasts... |
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Post by meunier33 on Oct 17, 2022 12:51:32 GMT -5
I figured it out, you need to seriously underhit chips. Don't even go into the white on the swing meter.
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Post by r0nrun on Oct 17, 2022 14:59:02 GMT -5
Best tip i can give is
Hit the green 😁
if not you can always max loft n spin on chips ..marker on hole and let it half swing...works great in bunkers to allthough some say it aint fair ....😂
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Post by williamwes626 on Oct 17, 2022 19:03:37 GMT -5
I was going to post a thread with these question and hope that @hammers1man would chime in, and here it is already!
Thank you!
You helped me learn to putt in 2K21 and I am determined to learn partial shots this go around. I figured out that the tempo of your down swing should basically match the backswing to get it right. I did not know why though. I did not know pulling the marker closer slowed your tempo.
So is that the reason that the tempo is slower on the irons than the driver- because your marker is 100 yds away instead of 270, with the shorter club? And chipping on to the green, if you are only 5-10 yds away at that point, is that why the very fasts always seem to happen? because I'm chipping with the same tempo I was using at 100 yds?
Another question I have is distance in rough and sand. How do you know where to stop your backswing and start down, based on how far away you are and your lie? Like, in any given situation, lets say I'm in rough, and it tells me 68-75% lie penalty, and I'm using a lob wedge which will go 60some yds at 100%, and I'm 35 yds away. How do you figure all that up to know where in your back swing you would start going back down? Every shot, any of those numbers could be different, and thats one thing I'm having trouble figuring out how to do.
Thanks!
Hey Josia, I'll give it a try -I think there are three ways to set up the marker before the actual partial chip. Let's say you have a 10 yard chip and your lob wedge goes 25 yards max. -marker set by cpu so on a flat green, it would be right next to the hole 10 yards away. -marker set by cpu with player adjustment - so maybe you think you should hit it further, you move it back for example. -marker set by max yardage of the club - so in this case we'd override the cpu suggestion and set it at its max- 25 yards away. With the first 2 - the ones with the marker set by cpu, the haptic feedback will almost always result in 'very fast' but the punishment is almost nil anyway. You just use the vibration to tell you when. The 3rd one is more about muscle memory and math. You're in more control of the swing transition, and you just calculate 10 yard chip with a 25 yard max club- 40% backswing. This way results in many 'perfect's and gray area shots because the haptic feedback is based off of the max yardage for the club. --- In other words, 2K has the computer think the shorter the chip, the slower the swing should be. If the marker is at 5 yard, it should be as slow as possible -too tough so we get 'very fast' a lot. But if we have the marker set at 25 yards, even though it's still a 5 yard or 10 yard chip -short chip, it will think we should swing faster cause we're aiming 25 yards away. This results in us being 'perfect' or close in relation to what's expected. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chips from the rough and the bunkers (thanks Sloaner on the bunker chip), it's the same thing we've always done - so my 10 yard chip is coming out of a bunker with 50% lie (easy example), I add 50% of that # so 10 +5 =15. With the marker set at 25 yards, instead of 40% 10/25, it would be 60% - we need 15 yards of the max total 25 yards. For me, I can't figure out which way I like - been practicing all ways - I'll probably go with option 3 - don't like all the 'very fast's - and that you have to pull back and push forward as slowly as humanly possible to get a gray or perfect. With the longer shots-pitches, there's a % curve so harder to calculate partial shots - that's more about feel & getting used to how far the backswing goes. Any downhill putting I never trust the cpu and always bring the marker in closer to me cause the ball will zoom past the hole - I did that with 2K21 too for True Sim. (Yeah, I miss my course preview days, I missed writing long posts. LOL) |
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Post by gordyberry on Oct 17, 2022 20:35:27 GMT -5
  Couple thousand rounds in '21, probably more in '19, and a fair amount in TGC2. As someone who has never moved the aiming marker forward or back, that's why the game would give me a slow backswing if I don't change anything when in a greenside bunker? Between this and this week reading an explanation on the "book only" yardage and why that mattered, I'm questioning if I know anything about this game. |
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Post by andy6467 on Oct 18, 2022 16:30:13 GMT -5
Couple thousand rounds in '21, probably more in '19, and a fair amount in TGC2. As someone who has never moved the aiming marker forward or back, that's why the game would give me a slow backswing if I don't change anything when in a greenside bunker? Between this and this week reading an explanation on the "book only" yardage and why that mattered, I'm questioning if I know anything about this game. I have never moved the aiming marker either. If you do, aren't you committed to using the swing meter (which throws me off)? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 16:47:36 GMT -5
Couple thousand rounds in '21, probably more in '19, and a fair amount in TGC2. As someone who has never moved the aiming marker forward or back, that's why the game would give me a slow backswing if I don't change anything when in a greenside bunker? Between this and this week reading an explanation on the "book only" yardage and why that mattered, I'm questioning if I know anything about this game. I have never moved the aiming marker either. If you do, aren't you committed to using the swing meter (which throws me off)? You don't have to move the marker as the game does it for you, though you have to adjust your tempo for the slower backswing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 17:03:23 GMT -5
I was going to post a thread with these question and hope that @hammers1man would chime in, and here it is already!
Thank you!
You helped me learn to putt in 2K21 and I am determined to learn partial shots this go around. I figured out that the tempo of your down swing should basically match the backswing to get it right. I did not know why though. I did not know pulling the marker closer slowed your tempo.
So is that the reason that the tempo is slower on the irons than the driver- because your marker is 100 yds away instead of 270, with the shorter club? And chipping on to the green, if you are only 5-10 yds away at that point, is that why the very fasts always seem to happen? because I'm chipping with the same tempo I was using at 100 yds?
Another question I have is distance in rough and sand. How do you know where to stop your backswing and start down, based on how far away you are and your lie? Like, in any given situation, lets say I'm in rough, and it tells me 68-75% lie penalty, and I'm using a lob wedge which will go 60some yds at 100%, and I'm 35 yds away. How do you figure all that up to know where in your back swing you would start going back down? Every shot, any of those numbers could be different, and thats one thing I'm having trouble figuring out how to do.
Thanks!
Hi JosiaDB, Wiliam's post gives a good write up on the short game with how you play the game, remember I play with all aids off and it is a totally different way to play the game. First up there is no tempo to backswing, you don't have to match back and forward speed for your shot. HB did kind of base the game around the marker but it does play brilliantly without it and is a fantastic challenge. I have been doing feel partial pitch shots for 2 years and just got a feel for it and holed many a 13 to 50 yard partial pitch or saved par, no vibration aid, no shot feedback or practice feedback it just felt so good. The whole short game has massively improved, splash shot is just a lazy swing for me so no need to cheese the game by playing silly bunker chips. I basically practice chips,pitch,flops from everywhere on the chipping green to get feel. I play no marker but I don't move the marker (it is there but invisible) just hit the shot adjusting for lie. Heavy rough in this game around the greens is massively improved, more rollout and poorer results from poor timing, I love it. Pitch now is a good shot from 30 to 70 yards now, I used to play pitch from 13 yards but chips have replaced that shot. I know some say the chipping is easy, not if you turn no off marker and distance aids like vibration and shot feedback. If you fancy giving USE ago again you are always welcome mate. |
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Post by JosiaDB on Oct 18, 2022 22:03:59 GMT -5
I was going to post a thread with these question and hope that @hammers1man would chime in, and here it is already!
Thank you!
You helped me learn to putt in 2K21 and I am determined to learn partial shots this go around. I figured out that the tempo of your down swing should basically match the backswing to get it right. I did not know why though. I did not know pulling the marker closer slowed your tempo.
So is that the reason that the tempo is slower on the irons than the driver- because your marker is 100 yds away instead of 270, with the shorter club? And chipping on to the green, if you are only 5-10 yds away at that point, is that why the very fasts always seem to happen? because I'm chipping with the same tempo I was using at 100 yds?
Another question I have is distance in rough and sand. How do you know where to stop your backswing and start down, based on how far away you are and your lie? Like, in any given situation, lets say I'm in rough, and it tells me 68-75% lie penalty, and I'm using a lob wedge which will go 60some yds at 100%, and I'm 35 yds away. How do you figure all that up to know where in your back swing you would start going back down? Every shot, any of those numbers could be different, and thats one thing I'm having trouble figuring out how to do.
Thanks!
Hi JosiaDB , Wiliam's post gives a good write up on the short game with how you play the game, remember I play with all aids off and it is a totally different way to play the game. First up there is no tempo to backswing, you don't have to match back and forward speed for your shot. HB did kind of base the game around the marker but it does play brilliantly without it and is a fantastic challenge. I have been doing feel partial pitch shots for 2 years and just got a feel for it and holed many a 13 to 50 yard partial pitch or saved par, no vibration aid, no shot feedback or practice feedback it just felt so good. The whole short game has massively improved, splash shot is just a lazy swing for me so no need to cheese the game by playing silly bunker chips. I basically practice chips,pitch,flops from everywhere on the chipping green to get feel. I play no marker but I don't move the marker (it is there but invisible) just hit the shot adjusting for lie. Heavy rough in this game around the greens is massively improved, more rollout and poorer results from poor timing, I love it. Pitch now is a good shot from 30 to 70 yards now, I used to play pitch from 13 yards but chips have replaced that shot. I know some say the chipping is easy, not if you turn no off marker and distance aids like vibration and shot feedback. If you fancy giving USE ago again you are always welcome mate.
Thank you, I've always felt I'd be welcome anytime there. Maybe someday! I had remembered your style of play and I value your opinions quite a lot. I don't have haptic feedback or the swing meter on, so a lot of the tips don't apply to me. I do use the marker, but its more just to give me a visual reference to aim at. Without the swing meter or haptic feedback it really doesn't tell me where to stop my backswing and start my downswing for partial shots. And that is what I'm having trouble figuring out. If I think in my head well, this shot needs to be only half or 3/4's of my normal swing, I can't seem to figure out how to know where the top of the swing is, without that meter. Just looking at the animation only, I can't figure out where to transition from backswing to downswing. I've been trying, and no matter what I do, I either hit the ball 100%, or I hit it and it goes about 10 yds. Is that something that just comes with years of practice?  |
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Post by sandgroper on Oct 19, 2022 0:58:28 GMT -5
This might help
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Oct 19, 2022 2:47:55 GMT -5
I subscribed to him a bit ago. Must admit I had not seen that one. Will be trying it out as sand kills |
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